Religion - The Bad Parent

[Denny Crane!]

An interesting take on the psychological problems with faith.

I also like his take on the evidence problems with faith, hearsay=evidence because deities are inaccessible to the senses. He also has a rather pleasant speaking voice FWIW.

[Dr Zoidberg]

Nice find Denny. I like it.

[Vanoi]

Nice video, it makes alot of compelling points i agree with. And yes his voice is very pleasant

[Lord Rahl]

It was a good video but I think it does stray too much in implying religion has these inherent psychological problems. The example he used at the beginning with the preacher and basically all of his other examples were references of the extreme in religions. My parents are both very religious but I wouldn't categorize them with hardly any of the examples given. He did mention that others in the train were Christian too. I'd like to see what he has to say about the average religious person who isn't blatantly hypocritical, overly expressive about their beliefs, and who doesn't try to force their beliefs on others. I think he pointed out some problems with religion but mostly the problems with those who take their religious beliefs to the extreme.

Denny Crane, I agree with you about the hearsay subject.

[Denny Crane!]

I don't think they are all extreme I think some of the positions are inherent, subtle in the non extreme cases but always present nonetheless.

[Lord Rahl]

Hmm...yes, I can agree with that. It is a very complicated matter. I had something of substance to say here but I can't remember because of my mnd being burned out from CVRIA debating. Los siento.

[.Achilles.]

Best thing I've seen this week, thank you good sir, very interesting.

[removeduser_4536284751384]

great video...but if he's been insulted like that online he must be looking for trouble...

[Sher Khan]

A soothing voice indeed.

But it's tangentially about faith considering the focus was on a parent-child dynamic and its affects, unless we're looking to conflate the wide-eyed preacher with what religious faith is.

The reliance on science and legalism to frame faith as outside of both is also typical for a question that was for long an issue of metaphysics. That we've forgotten this and no longer teach the average person these things is why we have people like our wide-eyed preacher, our poor atheist fed up with the contradictory masses assailing him, and our inability to use language in any way besides the empirical, leading to creationism and the preaching of religion to children as demonstrable fact to be held against all else.

[Taiji]

Very nice use of TA to describe some of what's apparently wrong with the way some people do religion.

[basics]

" An interesting take on the psychological problems with faith. "

Denny Crane,

I watched so much until the guy started waffling about faith and once again I saw someone trying to put into words what he imagines faith to be because he doesn't have it, at least not that faith that comes by God. I mean what right has he to say anyone who has faith may have psychological problems especially as there is no psychology involved.

If, and I say if, there were Christians on that vehicle they certainly wouldn't have told the guy to shut up, so who was it that were doing so? Why, the people to whom the Gospel is an offence of course and only to them. Oh, they may well have been religious but what is sure they had no faith and therefore may well have been offended too.

By the applause that the posters are giving the speaker one has to ask why there is none for the guy who spoke the word in the first place? It takes many more guts to announce what is offensive than it was to shout him down but I tell you all something. He wasn't led to say it unless God had someone on that vehicle to be drawn to Jesus Christ.

If any one of you think for one moment that the Gospel is to be hidden for a certain day inside a building where but few ever hear it, you are very much mistaken. God doesn't require buildings to hide what He has to say so when you lot speak of Him and His remember that better than you have tried and failed.

And, if I sound angry it is because I am, that people who have never experienced the love of God through the faith that He gifts them should pontificate about things they know nothing about. And then to say that there were Christians amongst them who found offence is quite absurd as already expressed.

[Himster]

I watched so much until the guy started waffling about faith and once again I saw someone trying to put into words what he imagines faith to be because he doesn't have it, at least not that faith that comes by God. I mean what right has he to say anyone who has faith may have psychological problems especially as there is no psychology involved.

If, and I say if, there were Christians on that vehicle they certainly wouldn't have told the guy to shut up, so who was it that were doing so? Why, the people to whom the Gospel is an offence of course and only to them. Oh, they may well have been religious but what is sure they had no faith and therefore may well have been offended too.

By the applause that the posters are giving the speaker one has to ask why there is none for the guy who spoke the word in the first place? It takes many more guts to announce what is offensive than it was to shout him down but I tell you all something. He wasn't led to say it unless God had someone on that vehicle to be drawn to Jesus Christ.

If any one of you think for one moment that the Gospel is to be hidden for a certain day inside a building where but few ever hear it, you are very much mistaken. God doesn't require buildings to hide what He has to say so when you lot speak of Him and His remember that better than you have tried and failed.

And, if I sound angry it is because I am, that people who have never experienced the love of God through the faith that He gifts them should pontificate about things they know nothing about. And then to say that there were Christians amongst them who found offence is quite absurd as already expressed.

What if he was muslim and he was condescendingly shouting in your face about his vision of hell and his interpretation of how a "good" person should act while you were trying to have a conversation with a friend or quietly reading a book? Are you saying that you wouldn't tell him to keep it down or at least ask him to be respectful?

[removeduser_4536284751384]

And, if I sound angry it is because I am, that people who have never experienced the love of God through the faith that He gifts them should pontificate about things they know nothing about. And then to say that there were Christians amongst them who found offence is quite absurd as already expressed.

Why is it absurd? I bet at least 70% of them were Christian.

[Taiji]

I watched so much until the guy started waffling about faith and once again I saw someone trying to put into words what he imagines faith to be because he doesn't have it, at least not that faith that comes by God. I mean what right has he to say anyone who has faith may have psychological problems especially as there is no psychology involved.

He doesn't say 'anyone who has faith may have psychological problems especially as there is no psychology involved'.

If what you meant to write was that he said 'anyone who has faith may have psychological problems' then whether he said that or not it's still very very obviously true. Having faith does not mean you are immune to psychological problems.

But I totally agree with the notion that religion is actually dangerous, and especially with regard to damaging relationships between people. When one person starts a game of 'lets pretend' and the other does not play along, that is called not getting along with one another.

Or let's put it another way; some people with emotional difficulties don't wind up shouting at people on buses. Some people without emotional difficulties take up religion and assume the symptoms of those that have these difficulties.

If, and I say if, there were Christians on that vehicle they certainly wouldn't have told the guy to shut up, so who was it that were doing so? Why, the people to whom the Gospel is an offence of course and only to them. Oh, they may well have been religious but what is sure they had no faith and therefore may well have been offended too.

Sorry, I imagine you appointed yourself as an authority, but I can't accept you as such (let's pretend: denied). You don't get to decide who is a Christian and who isn't for anyone but yourself.

You might have decided that God is talking to you and telling you what to tell others. Everyone else will decide the truth of that idea of yours for themselves, and probably very quickly.

By the applause that the posters are giving the speaker one has to ask why there is none for the guy who spoke the word in the first place? It takes many more guts to announce what is offensive than it was to shout him down but I tell you all something. He wasn't led to say it unless God had someone on that vehicle to be drawn to Jesus Christ.

You're stuck in 'doublethink', well demonstrated.

If any one of you think for one moment that the Gospel is to be hidden for a certain day inside a building where but few ever hear it, you are very much mistaken. God doesn't require buildings to hide what He has to say so when you lot speak of Him and His remember that better than you have tried and failed.

So you are correct because God is correct. Again, well demonstrated. How could you get out of the parent position from there without betraying God? Oops, nope, you are well and truly stuck now. But at least you feel 'correct', yes? Getting on with others doesn't feel as good as 'correct in the eyes of God'? If so then as far as drugs go you're making a good choice. But as far as sanity is concerned...

And, if I sound angry it is because I am, that people who have never experienced the love of God through the faith that He gifts them should pontificate about things they know nothing about. And then to say that there were Christians amongst them who found offence is quite absurd as already expressed.

You like the way it makes you feel. You're a nice person and you want to share that with others. But when they see what it's doing to you - They won't want it if they have any sense!!

No offence is intended here, Basics. I have nothing against you(or your God), but through watching the way you communicate I can't help but be concerned for the quality of your life. I get the impression that your happiness about your faith could be something like what a depressed person is feeling when their depression is starting to lift. Like you're still aware of how you could be feeling if you didn't have faith, and that awareness scares the out of you.

The counter point, if that were the case, might be to assure you that not everyone has to deal with that depressed feeling. But also that many people who have felt like that managed to find a way to cope with it that didn't mess up their relationships with other people.

I'm not trying to say I think you're depressed; I think you could be fine and just exhibiting communication symptoms of emotional difficulties because your religion makes you act a bit nuts.

EDIT:

Upon rereading this I think I have to explain that I don't think that religion makes everyone externalise the game they're playing to the extent that Basics appears to. It's his behaviour that concerns me, not what's going on in his head - That I can't know. It might seem logical to assume that if everyone has the 'same thing going on in their head' that they'll all act the same but it basically is not logical to assume such in my opinion. Assuming that 2 people never have the same thing going on in their head seems much much safer.

[Oberbefehlshaber]

(@Taiji)

Nice post. Its hilarious to me how basics is just renforcing the OPs point with his post and he does not even realize it.

[Col. Tartleton]

" An interesting take on the psychological problems with faith. "

Denny Crane,

I watched so much until the guy started waffling about faith and once again I saw someone trying to put into words what he imagines faith to be because he doesn't have it, at least not that faith that comes by God. I mean what right has he to say anyone who has faith may have psychological problems especially as there is no psychology involved.

It's all psychology, you've brainwashed yourself into believing in imaginary beings to mask problems. Describe your life before you became religious, I know you're a born again type, so obvious you had a period where you didn't like yourself or felt you were living immorally (or had been told that you were.) Serving God became a coping mechanism and a medium for your change, but now you're trapped in a rather silly spot. The fact you think you're right based on the equally incorrect opinions of others is arrogance bordering on Hubris. The fact of the matter is you don't know and as you don't know you shouldn't be fooling yourself that you do.

If, and I say if, there were Christians on that vehicle they certainly wouldn't have told the guy to shut up, so who was it that were doing so? Why, the people to whom the Gospel is an offence of course and only to them. Oh, they may well have been religious but what is sure they had no faith and therefore may well have been offended too.

Most Christians are reasonable people who are carrying on a tradition they don't really believe in. They are however capable of seeing someone who is full of himself. The only being evangelists worship are themselves. They're right, everyone else is wrong, because a book told them so... Sounds like a ing douchebag.

By the applause that the posters are giving the speaker one has to ask why there is none for the guy who spoke the word in the first place? It takes many more guts to announce what is offensive than it was to shout him down but I tell you all something. He wasn't led to say it unless God had someone on that vehicle to be drawn to Jesus Christ.

It takes no guts to act like your doesn't stink when you're an egocentric loon. In fact its normal behavior. If he politely asked the people around him to take a flier for his church and then thanked them regardless of whether they took one for their time I'd feel differently. Religious people ought to be humble about it. I have no problem listening to someone who has a mission to help people who goes about it in a brotherly way. A preacher is taking a position of demagoguery. Religious study and discussion doesn't offend me at all. I agree with a lot of the Christian faith, Jewish faith, Muslim faith, and so on and so on. Any message that genuinely espouses goodwill towards your fellow man and respect for others is good by me. But that's not what a fire and brimstone sermon is.

If any one of you think for one moment that the Gospel is to be hidden for a certain day inside a building where but few ever hear it, you are very much mistaken. God doesn't require buildings to hide what He has to say so when you lot speak of Him and His remember that better than you have tried and failed.

The Gospel should be read and lived not spoken. Faith is a private matter. If you want to share your faith ask them as equals from a position of humbleness. The fact of the matter is there are plenty of bibles, if people were interested they'd read them. Then they can go "I really need to try to be nicer to people." Mission accomplished.

And, if I sound angry it is because I am, that people who have never experienced the love of God through the faith that He gifts them should pontificate about things they know nothing about. And then to say that there were Christians amongst them who found offence is quite absurd as already expressed.

Your own opinions are absurd and its ridiculous to try to explain to me how much your life is better than mine. Faith is an awesome high until it cracks and you try to kill yourself. I on the other hand am able to experience my life at an as it comes basis. I have happy days and sad days and I don't need God to make me happy. I just at the beauty around me in the world and the kindness of others and think how lucky we are to experience it. I don't feel reason to praise a God. I'm just happy. Then when something upsets me I'm not waiting for God to save me and fix it, I know its up to me to do so.

Savior Self. You're more powerful than your God. You're real.

[justicar5]

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If, and I say if, there were Christians on that vehicle they certainly wouldn't have told the guy to shut up, so who was it that were doing so? Why, the people to whom the Gospel is an offence of course and only to them. Oh, they may well have been religious but what is sure they had no faith and therefore may well have been offended too.
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or how about people who don't want to be screamed at on their way to work? Especially by a man who follows the most murderous and malevolant fictional creation in history, one who's crimes are orders of magnitude worse than any humans, while demanding the total surrender of free will and human decency to commit unspeakable horrors in his name (seriosuly you must have read the bible, how do you justify all the murder, forced marriage, genocide, rape, incest and child abuse contained their in and done apparently under gods specific instructions? I could also bring up the flood, soddom and gomarah Lots daughters, the plagues of egypt [where it is stated that god 'hardened Pharoahs heart' wait god made pharoah refuse to release the israelites so that he could inflict more plagues? Thats 'good?'])

People reading from the bible offends me in the same way and for the same reason people reading from Mein Kampf would, they are both the manifestos of hate.

[Col. Tartleton]

or how about people who don't want to be screamed at on their way to work? Especially by a man who follows the most murderous and malevolant fictional creation in history, one who's crimes are orders of magnitude worse than any humans, while demanding the total surrender of free will and human decency to commit unspeakable horrors in his name (seriosuly you must have read the bible, how do you justify all the murder, forced marriage, genocide, rape, incest and child abuse contained their in and done apparently under gods specific instructions? I could also bring up the flood, soddom and gomarah Lots daughters, the plagues of egypt [where it is stated that god 'hardened Pharoahs heart' wait god made pharoah refuse to release the israelites so that he could inflict more plagues? Thats 'good?'])

People reading from the bible offends me in the same way and for the same reason people reading from Mein Kampf would, they are both the manifestos of hate.

Exactly. Frankly the OT is offensive and the NT is made void by the fact it endorses it. It's like a apologist for the Third Reich explaining Hitler's "glorious vision" while maintaining he is a pacifist and also expousing that ends justify means...

Psalm 137:9 (ESV)9 Blessed shall he be who takes your little ones and dashes them against the rock!

"Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished." (Isaiah 13:16)

"Slay utterly old and young, both maids and little children, and women..." (Ezekiel 9:6)


"And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of they daughters, which the Lord thy God hath given thee, in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee." (Deutoronomy 28:53)

Deuteronomy

7:1-2 When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations . . . then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy.

Ezekiel

20:25-26 I also gave them over to statutes that were not good and laws they could not live by; I let them become defiled through their gifts—the sacrifice of every firstborn—that I might fill them with horror so they would know that I am the LORD.

Exodus

21:20-21 If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property.


Leviticus

20:13 If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death.

20:10 If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death.

20:9
If anyone curses his father or mother, he must be put to death.

Exodus 35:2
For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it must be put to death.

Deuteronomy 22:20-1 If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the girl’s virginity can be found, she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done a disgraceful thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father’s house.

20:10-17 When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. . . . This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby.
However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. Completely destroy them—the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites—as the Lord your God has commanded you.


And the thing is, Jesus didn't overrule this and say "The Old Testament was not written by God, God loves his creation, this is the work of man." If the NT is remotely true, he basically said "Everything I say is true, as is everything in the Bible." So at the end of the day, Jesus is just another goose stepping hate monger speaking kind words with dark designs who was luckily crucified by the civilized Romans who while capable of brutality at least didn't claim to be anything but a iron fist of authoritarianism.

[Armenum]

Very interesting video, the maker also has some other very thought provoking videos...

[(s)AINT]

Great video indeed.