Creating my own Pc

[MasterBigAb]

Hey guys
First of all, Ishan directed me here

Like the title says I really need a new Pc - but I don't know enough to combine it myself alone
First of all a bit backgrounf info:

My current Pc is from about 2002 - with broken graphic card so I can throw it away anyways...
Due to some real life problems I don't really have much money and would of course need the stuff as cheap as possible
I just made my exams and did not have a job, however some insurance incident resulted in me having to pay 2000€ to them. I got a part time job which allows me to pay it back, so I work for free half a year so to say. I currently have about 2000€ all together on the bank - but it's really all I own + I would like to go to University so I need to save all money I can as it is more than expensive

I would not buy a new Pc if not needed, but I more or less even have to. My passion is Movie Making, Cutting and editing, such stuff - so I need a good Pc with much frames per second which handles programes like after effect and so on very well. I am going to make Empire and Shogun records/videos to practise the programes and stuff - so it should be good enough to run Shogun II on high settings.
The university I woudl like to go to requires work samples and a practicum of about 6 months in the media branche + is 6500€ (+ the money I have to pay for a flat etc..) - so quite a lot money I don't have..., so while I am currently searching for such a practicum (which I will have to do until winter 2012 - in this time I hopefully can collect some money again for the university and flat etc...) I have to use this time to get to know more programes and practise and so on and so on - and these programes are of course very expensive again. So basically my plan until winter 2012 is working, working, collecting money and getting more and more skills with such programes

So for now I need a good Pc - good enough to deal with what I described, but not more, as in 2013 when I (hopefully) get a place at this university I would not really need a good pc anymore as this work I would do on their equipment.

Any more info on that ???

Ok, first what it has to ontain, and/or what I already have in mind:

I will buy a new screen:

http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B002...A3JWKAKR8XB7XF
This one (not more than 19'' as I don't have too much space )
My brother has this screen as well and it looks quite good + is "only" 100€ - if someone knows some other screens that are really good and cheaper I gladly accept advise of course

Then Ishan suggested a Sapphire ATI Radeon HD6850 - which should do the job I need it for ?!?
Which is 135 €

So I need a box, a core (for good performence due to described reasons), imagend somethign about 4-6 Gb RAM - wireless lan, DVD burner & reader and for harddrive I don't need that much, so to say everythign from 500mb is ok 1 tb also, but I don't need that much hence I don't "waste" too mcuh money on that. I also need a TV card or I need to be able to watch TV with the PC as I don't have a TV cause I watch via my pc etc... (wow sry I just recognize I sound like 12 years old english noob - I am just typing too fast )

So that's were I need help, I don't know what fits together etc... and am already at ~ 225 € and would like to keep it < 1000€ all together

Please, please please help me guys

[the_mango55]

You say you don't need a big hard drive but it fills up faster than you think.

Especially if you're into video editing.

[MasterBigAb]

You say you don't need a big hard drive but it fills up faster than you think.

Especially if you're into video editing.

Yeah sure, but I currently have 130 mb - so I am used to keep it low I of course prefer 1tb but if I would reach the limit I can always buy an external one later

Dont know about prices where your from but il share some basic hardware thoughts.
First off if you can afford it look towards Nvidia instead of ATI and the GTX 570/580 cards.
They just have better quality overall and less compatability problems imo but if you have to go with ATI dont look towards the 68xx series go for the 69xx instead.

Well the Nvidia card you suggested is 3-4times the price IMO too expensive for me
The 69xx series are also about twice - 3times the price of the one Ishan suggested

And no im not an Nvidia fanboy im just a user whos talking from personal experience
CPU i would go with an AMD Phenom II X4 due to the low price and great performance or an X6 for alot of multitasking doesnt rly differ to much between the two.

Sounds good - looks good - I will take a closer look at that

Motherboard im not rly sure about it depends on your needs both now and in the future but i never look anywhere else then to MSI boards personally,good prices awesome quality.

What you mean "depends" onmy needs ? Theoretically I "only" need the pc for gaming/video making/editing...

RAM memory i would go with 6-8gigs of Crucial DDR3 BallistiX 1600MHz,great price speed finish and not so damn big that they will get in the way of your cpu fan.

To be honest I have never heard/seen them...but on the first look I found 6gb for about 75€ which is not bad...

Monitor mouse kboard Hd tower and such are individual choices so just look around and get whatever you like or need.
Good luck mate.

Yap that's not the main problem as well
Thanks man

A question again:
Regarding the TV card, can I simply buy one or do I have to check whether there is enough room or whatever ??? Also for the Pc casing I don't know hat I "need" ?!

[Mr Kami]

Dont know about prices where your from but il share some basic hardware thoughts.
First off if you can afford it look towards Nvidia instead of ATI and the GTX 570/580 cards.
They just have better quality overall and less compatability problems imo but if you have to go with ATI dont look towards the 68xx series go for the 69xx instead.
And no im not an Nvidia fanboy im just a user whos talking from personal experience
CPU i would go with an AMD Phenom II X4 due to the low price and great performance or an X6 for alot of multitasking doesnt rly differ to much between the two.
Motherboard im not rly sure about it depends on your needs both now and in the future but i never look anywhere else then to MSI boards personally,good prices awesome quality.
RAM memory i would go with 6-8gigs of Crucial DDR3 BallistiX 1600MHz,great price speed finish and not so damn big that they will get in the way of your cpu fan.
Monitor mouse kboard Hd tower and such are individual choices so just look around and get whatever you like or need.
Good luck mate.

[Crazyeyesreaper]

where are you located what online shops are available in your area?

as for the nvidia ati keep the bs out of it AMD has better quality with the 6900 cards then Nvidia which is especially noticeable in Battlefield Bad Company 2 running 580 sli vs 6970s, both companies are pretty much equal, Nvidia just has a more user friendly driver installation aka less likely a user can bork the process, overall both companies do the same damn job without much issue, now that said

you give me a list of online reputable shops in your area and ill make a list of parts for you. Thats within budget, if done right $1000 euros = i5 2500k sandybridge chip 4gigs DDR3 1600 if you need 8 gigs thats also possible as well within the budget, P67 mobo decent case 650w psu and probably a 6950 or nvidia 560Ti gpu but i need a reputable e tailer to give you a list.

for anyone saying Phenom II x4 or x6 im sorry to say in video editing they get stomped buy similar priced intel chips from the sandybridge lineup. including the dual core i3 2100 which tends to walk all over the Phenom II x4 970, good chips but not really up to par at this point bulldozer releasing in June might change that but its still a ways away and performance is untested.

anyway i repeat

give me a maximum budget and a trustworthy e-tailer *amazon is fine, but for example USA we have tigerdirect and newegg, UK has ebuyer and scan.co.uk whats available in your region

also try and stay away from D sub monitors aka VGA otherwise known as the blue plug, its a dead format and will be phased out of production within a year or so, not to mention most GPUs now require DVI to VGA adaptors, try getting a DVI HDCP monitor otherwise youll have a hard time playing encrypted DRM enabled HD content, aka bluray movies on a bluray drive wont display on my acer monitor has its VGA and isnt HDCP capable,

[MasterBigAb]

Ok I am from Germany, Amazon is the best onlineshop which I do trust as well.
While you wrote this I collected some stuff in the "buggy" to see how it turns out, and from what Kami suggested I come to about 700-800€

My budget is liek said not that much, i would prefer it to be about 800 - if possible not more, so let's say total mx of 900 (with monitor).

I will post a list of what I would have found on Amazon:

Monitor: http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B002...A3JWKAKR8XB7XF - 100€ (could you may be point me to another one which is better ?)
Graphic-card: http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B004...A3JWKAKR8XB7XF - 135€ (looks pretty fine for me regarding the price etc...)
RAM: http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B002...A1YJU9RIMEUNF2 - 73€ (Should not be a problem right ?!)
Processor: http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B002...A3JWKAKR8XB7XF - 113€ (There I don't know anythign about so I have no idea )
Harddrive: http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B002...A31522I6NTHR25 - 50 € (Is it a good one, looks liek a good price ?!)
Lan Card: http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B001...A2Z54WBF904K0X - 21€ (I don't know anythign about that, but there were not that much results, so what do I have to look at regarding WLan-cards ?)
TV-card: http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B002...A1DT5CBGVZY3LO - 60€ (Don't know much about it as well)
Mouse & Keyboard: http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B003...A3JWKAKR8XB7XF - 25€ (No problem I think anyways )

And then some other things, like: In prospects there is always DVD burner & reader etc... - what do I need to consider ? - And network connection, usb and other connection things - it kind of confuses me, do I need that, were to install etc... (forgive my ignorance)
Oh and I still need Windows 7 (64bit) then I guess ?! It is about 80 €

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~ 700€ which would be indeed what I imagend

[RO Citizen]

My suggestions

For video editing and playing Shogun you'll definitely need a good computer. The gfx card Ishan mentioned is more than good. I suggest you grabbing that for sure. About the processor, I think an i3 or i5 would do their job. An i3 is around 80 €, while an i5 150 €. I'd suggest you to take the i5, but if you don't have money left an i3 would work nice, too. I'm not an expert on motherboards, but I think an 120 € one would be good. 2 memories, each of 2GBs DDR3 would sum up at 40 €. A decent HDD of 500 GB would be at 30 € A decent TV tuner: 60 € And case with power supply would be 30 €, but you should ask the pros about it, I'm not sure the power supply can hold a 6850. A normal DVD writer would be the cheapest of all 15 €

Now let's sum up: 580 euros with the i5, 510 with the i3. Also, I didn't put things like the monitor or keyboard in. The prices might be cheaper or more expensive where you live, I got these ones from newegg (and transformed in euros).

Edit: Oh, sorry, you posted just before me. Yeah, the things you listed are nice, but I'd suggest Intel instead of AMD as processor, for video editing.

[Crazyeyesreaper]

since Amazon is the best shop give me a few hours to get done at work and ill do a full build ill keep it around 700 euro - 800 euro try for lower but as a member on TPU found out spending the extra $40 can make or break performance aka went i3 2100 dual core vs a i5 2400 neither one can overclock yet he bought an expensive mobo, so he ened up pay more and getting less. for what he was using it for , anyway let me finish up my work and ill see what i can come up with.

[MasterBigAb]

Thanks a bunch to all who are helping

[Crazyeyesreaper]

Monitor: Samsung P2250 1920x1080 $128
http://www.amazon.de/Samsung-SyncMas...3316481&sr=8-1
Case: Coolermaster 690 II $83
http://www.amazon.de/CoolerMaster-CM...3316719&sr=1-4
PSU: Corsair 650HX modular $105 switching out to a standard 650w can drop the price about $15-20
http://www.amazon.de/Corsair-CMPSU-6...316811&sr=1-16
CPU: i5 2500k $180 if you dont plan to overclock at all we can swap out to the i5 2400 which saves $20
http://www.amazon.de/Intel-Prozessor...3317113&sr=1-2
Motherboard: Asus P8P67 LE $120
http://www.amazon.de/P8P67-Rev-3-0-M...3317254&sr=1-4
Ram: Corsair 1600mhz 2 x 2048mb $43
http://www.amazon.de/Corsair-PC1600-.../ref=de_a_smtd
HDD: Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB
http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B002...A31522I6NTHR25
ODD: LG dual layer sata DVD burner $15
http://www.amazon.de/LG-GH22NS50-AUA...3318059&sr=1-6
GPU: Sapphire 6850 $135
http://www.amazon.de/Sapphire-Radeon...318200&sr=1-10
Keyboard + Mouse: Logitech MK 250 which you already posted $25
http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B003...A3JWKAKR8XB7XF

my only other questions do you REALLY need wireless for a desktop and do you REALLY need a tv tuner card there kinda worthless unless you watch TV on your PC which your probably just better off streaming netflix or hulu or something. and wireless is never a good thing for gaming online but if you must have wireless i can toss in a wireless card im still currently revising the list. at this moment with the above it comes to

doing the edits i noted above drops it to $840 windows you said is $80 so thats 920 im a bit over budget, but theres still places i can trip prices back without hurting quality. can also swap the case to something else saving another $10-20 bringing it to $900 total with monitor and windows included in the price

at this point i feel wireless lan is worthless since the mobo comes with gigabit ethernet port, aka needs to be wired to the router with a Cat 5e cable but does the job and is faster then wireless and more reliable, that saves money as for a tv tuner card again unless you watch tv on your pc there not worth the hassel.

At this point if needed i can shave around $90 euros off the total cost. if neccesary.

[MasterBigAb]

Monitor: Samsung P2250 1920x1080 $128
http://www.amazon.de/Samsung-SyncMas...3316481&sr=8-1
Case: Coolermaster 690 II $83
http://www.amazon.de/CoolerMaster-CM...3316719&sr=1-4
PSU: Corsair 650HX modular $105 switching out to a standard 650w can drop the price about $15-20
http://www.amazon.de/Corsair-CMPSU-6...316811&sr=1-16
CPU: i5 2500k $180 if you dont plan to overclock at all we can swap out to the i5 2400 which saves $20
http://www.amazon.de/Intel-Prozessor...3317113&sr=1-2
Motherboard: Asus P8P67 LE $120
http://www.amazon.de/P8P67-Rev-3-0-M...3317254&sr=1-4
Ram: Corsair 1600mhz 2 x 2048mb $43
http://www.amazon.de/Corsair-PC1600-.../ref=de_a_smtd
HDD: Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB
http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B002...A31522I6NTHR25
ODD: LG dual layer sata DVD burner $15
http://www.amazon.de/LG-GH22NS50-AUA...3318059&sr=1-6
GPU: Sapphire 6850 $135
http://www.amazon.de/Sapphire-Radeon...318200&sr=1-10
Keyboard + Mouse: Logitech MK 250 which you already posted $25
http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B003...A3JWKAKR8XB7XF

my only other questions do you REALLY need wireless for a desktop and do you REALLY need a tv tuner card there kinda worthless unless you watch TV on your PC which your probably just better off streaming netflix or hulu or something. and wireless is never a good thing for gaming online but if you must have wireless i can toss in a wireless card im still currently revising the list. at this moment with the above it comes to

doing the edits i noted above drops it to $840 windows you said is $80 so thats 920 im a bit over budget, but theres still places i can trip prices back without hurting quality. can also swap the case to something else saving another $10-20 bringing it to $900 total with monitor and windows included in the price

at this point i feel wireless lan is worthless since the mobo comes with gigabit ethernet port, aka needs to be wired to the router with a Cat 5e cable but does the job and is faster then wireless and more reliable, that saves money as for a tv tuner card again unless you watch tv on your pc there not worth the hassel.

At this point if needed i can shave around $90 euros off the total cost. if neccesary.

First of all a big thanks, I will check the list
And yes I need a tv tuner card - I do only have space for the pc, nothing else, so i do everything with it, watching tv, playing games, (also connected to xbox) and do work on it...
About the wireless thing, I am just under the roof, our rooter is downstairs and I need wireless I'm afraid I will check that out and will tell you.

EDIT: the monitor is a bit too big I am afraid as well (also space problems)
Or wait I will see, might work...

[Syntax]

I would really strongly suggest you to go with the Intel i5 760 - 190 USD (or if still available 750) series - nothing can beat them in therms of games and overclock capacity - and no heat problems at all!!! Additional the support motherboards are also quite much cheaper as the one for i7 series.

I had both PC's - as I am a bit of hardware crazy and overclocking freak - so to tell you the truth the OC i5 750 was faster in every game as the OC i7 930!!!

Support motherboard go with ASUS P7P55D-E PRO 160 USD at the moment - and a very cool board!

A good air-cooler - FRIO - 50 USD

In therms of Ram it is not such a big issue - of course a brand which is known and minimum 1333 (Kingston/ G-Skill/ Geil/ Corsair....) and min 4 GB - 2x2GB

Software Windows 7

PSU - have a bit a check on the web and the user comments - this is an important issue which is most times not enough valued by the users. But take minimum 850 watt...

VGA - here it is hard and a budget issue - I for myself have a Nvidia GTX 470 with a custom cooler to reduce the heat and noise...great card...

But also the much cheaper GTX 460 is still a very good choice - never go for the newest released cards they are totally overpriced!

Best is you check a bit on Anandtech website as this is one of the most respectable sites as they are not sponsored or bought by the big hardware giants. http://www.anantech.com

Any further question feel free to ask here - we all are willing to help and support you on this issue...

I also helped burny26 to build his own rig- over the web only - and he is very satisfied - you may ask him....no problem...

Syntax

In general - the posted suggestion of Crazyeyesreaper is quite okay - except if you want to overclock take a 850 watt PSU.(or min 750)
On the graphic-card I'm not so much on the ATI side - but that's a personal issue only.....

[Magefsx]

This may help with choosing yourself a graphics card (If I were buying myself one now, I'd go for the HD 6950... which can be flashed for free into a 6970 - although obviously more expensive than what you've chosen. That said, you are future-proofing yourself a little).
http://www.techradar.com/news/comput...d-today-654141
I also read somewhere (same site, different article) that AMD processors are the best choice for video editing and that kind of stuff, whereas Intel are best for gaming.
Hope this is of use

[Crazyeyesreaper]

uh i5 750 and 760 gets its ass kicked by the i5 2400 and 2500 even when overclocked a i5 2400 tends to break even with the 970 6core 12 thread 1336 chip and the 2500k beats it in almost everything so your basically telling the OP to buy a similar priced cpu thats roughly 20-25% slower

basically put a 2500k is faster then every i5 and i7 chip out right now on the older 1156 and 1336 sockets only the 970 6core 980x and 990x offer similar performance but at an extreme cost.

frio is a good cooler,

850w minimum is way overkill most users are to ignorant to know a good psu from a bad one a good name brand unit is all that matters ran a 965be in my sig with a 550w unit and 2x 5850s overclocked to 1000 core easily enough name brand unit and good amps on the 12v rails are what matter with a PSU,

a good example of why you shouldnt buy into the wattage hype
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php...tory5&reid=187
1050w unit that went pop under load and could only deliever 500w reliably

if the unit is 80+ silver certified or better its a good unit, anything below that can be more suspect as the 80+ rating is being faked on some units aka straight out lying, but silver is hard to get and thus any good unit rated as a 80+ silver is a safe bet to use.

in terms of cpu performance a 2500k is around 980x which originally was a $999 usd cpu but has price dropped to the $700 region that said 2500k is $229 usd and beats it. overclocking is one thing but yea most of the above is older gen 6800 are faster the gtx 460s unless overclock to extremes in which case the 460 is a better value, but at this moment 6850 is better deal in terms of power consumption as it tends to consume around 20-30w less under full load. and is in the same price range as the 460 offering better performance out of the box for gaming, it also tends to have a bit better track record with older games especially the total war series.

in terms of video editing etc AMD gets there ass kicked in just about everything the only thing going for amd is price. but when a 6 core at $200+ cant keep up with a 2 core 4 thread i3 2100 let alone 2500 or 2600 which are in the same price bracket its not going so well.
The system below in that review is an i7 overclocked you will notice even with 2x 6970s and an overclocked cpu it still isnt using 600w, rule of thumb would be to grab a 850w unit so that you have 3-4 years before the PSU is likely to start becoming unreliable (this would be 24/7 usage average use the 850 would last a hell of a lot longer) so in reality a 6850 that uses 120 or so watts max in game with a cpu using 95w even overclocking everything the total system power under full load would still be less then 350w, meaning 550w name brand unit is all thats really needed, but since the 2500k + P67 allow overclocking and should the OP want a faster GPU in the future a 650w HX corsair unit will do the trick as its continuous rated it can supply 750-800w peak without issue most PSU are rated at peak aka 800w units might be 800w peak but only 700w 24/7 usage good example would be OCZ powersupplies there rated at PEAK so a 550w Fatal1ty PSU from OCZ can only push 550w max before you enter the danger zone,

[MasterBigAb]

Ok I selected everything you suggested + Tv tuner card + WLan-card
I have chosen i5-2400.

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13 articles with a total of EUR 1.028,87

A bit over my budget may be
Were can I still save a bit ? Monitor may be ? And PSU like you said ?!

[Crazyeyesreaper]

you need a different wireless card and theres better tv tuners out there give me a while to sort through them. since amazon dosent list all specs or info on there products

you can use a wireless usb dongle for the most part there usually only $15-25 usd over here as for a tv tuner im still looking

wireless card
http://www.amazon.de/D-Link-DWA-556-...3324163&sr=8-6

never mind stick with the TV tuner card you picked out, the card i was going to suggest isnt available over there.

[MasterBigAb]

Ok thanks

EDIT: The WLan-card is 67€ for me --> 1068 €

Some possible changes to still get about 150€ out ???

EDIT2: May be I can keep my current one ?! It is ok, I can play online and download pretty well...
Were can I check what WLan card I have, is it listed somewere in me system options ?

As for the money I think I "have to" get a cheaper monitor so save ~20€ and may be another case, is there some room ? And well the CPU is one of the more expensive parts as well, but I definiteley keep it if you say it's the best (regarding price <---> power) and well the motherboard is also not cheap...



EDIT3:
Monitor: http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B004...sr=1-7&seller= ??

[Syntax]

Crazyeyesreaper

uh i5 750 and 760 gets its ass kicked by the i5 2400 and 2500 even when overclocked a i5 2400 tends to break even with the 970 6core 12 thread 1336 chip and the 2500k beats it in almost everything so your basically telling the OP to buy a similar priced cpu thats roughly 20-25% slower

basically put a 2500k is faster then every i5 and i7 chip out right now on the older 1156 and 1336 sockets only the 970 6core 980x and 990x offer similar performance but at an extreme cost.

Okay maybe you are right on this you know my system is now already 3 month old - and as soon as you carry it home its outdated! Anyway Thanks for this tip then!!!!

In therm of PSU I am not your opinion - you cant run a Crossfire or SLI on a 650 watt - not possible - burned mine!!!It's the start up and the OC which increase the wattage a lot!!!

The page you referring to (jonnyguru...)is the best reviews on PSU - agreed - but haven't studied the last time....
But you are also aware that he doesn't need more power with a higher wattage PSU? -(but to be exact with a "sweet spot" PSU you are probably wasting less power as you perform most times in the 80+ efficiency...true)

So as said MasterBigAb in general you may follow what Crazyeyesreaper suggested as I see he also really knows about what he is talking about! Once more thanks for the new CPU tip!!!

+Rep for Crazyeyesreaper

[Devilmaypoop]

In therm of PSU I am not your opinion - you cant run a Crossfire or SLI on a 650 watt - not possible - burned mine!!!It's the start up and the OC which increase the wattage a lot!!!

Uh, yes you can, easily. All you need is a quality brand like Corsair etc and you can run 6950 CF or 560 SLI etc on a 650w PSU with no worries.

[Crazyeyesreaper]

no problem if i sound snobbish to anyone im not trying to be, that only happens when im drunk screw up and post the wrong info otherwise usually my head is buried to far into the tech world for my own good. and i know how it feels to buy something take it home and have it outdated Its going to happen to me again in 2 months lol