Is the CVRIA...

[Bolkonsky]

meant to be fun? I mean certainly, TWCenter is meant to be fun, correct? Otherwise, we wouldn't be on a video game site. Now obviously, the CVRIA is also meant to be involved in site administration, sort of like a people's voice, but why? Obviously so that things can be changed, so we can have more fun! I mean, it's not like any of us are going to have a political career due to TWC. I'm not going to ever be able to put "Served 4 successful terms as CdeC member, and two as Curator, as well as a six month term as Content Director" or anything of the sort, on my resume.

So the ultimate goal of everything on TWCenter should be fun, right?

[Thoragoros]

It really depends on one's point of view of fun.

Personally, I thoroughly enjoy the debates here in the Curia, and in having a say in what goes on at TWC. However, if you don't enjoy debating, or helping with the site, then no, the Curia will not be fun for you. Nevertheless, much of the discussions here in the Curia have a lighthearted, eccentric tone to them, so it isn't too serious here.

[Bolkonsky]

It really depends on one's point of view of fun.

Personally, I thoroughly enjoy the debates here in the Curia, and in having a say in what goes on at TWC. However, if you don't enjoy debating, or helping with the site, then no, the Curia will not be fun for you. Nevertheless, much of the discussions here in the Curia have a lighthearted, eccentric tone to them, so it isn't too serious here.

Debates and the like are always fun. Show me someone who doesn't argue, and I'll show you someone who's missing out on the best things in life. However, what is the ultimate goal of the CVRIA? The final product? What are we trying to attain? What is it's purpose?

I think you've got a point. Sometimes the Curia can be all a bit serious and miss some of the obvious - we're all here to have fun, and the Curia should look at ways to be fun, and make things fun for everyone else. That's a lot of fun for one sentence but I think we should look at making some more absurd awards and the like for the lols!

Yes and no. I would have voted for Hader's medal, but that's only part of the point. The point is why are we debating over such petty things (like user titles.) Why must the CVRIA be dissolved for Guilds, why must there be an overreaction to everything? We're a bit too pragmatic at the moment, or so it seems. Participating in the CVRIA isn't necessarily meant to be fun, but the result, the general focus of everything we do, should be sensible, functional fun, right?

[Mega Tortas de Bodemloze]

meant to be fun?

To quote one of the principals of the Ownership Group....{Hex}

"Dude, It's a gaming site, Have fun."

So the ultimate goal of everything on TWCenter should be fun, right?

Bingo, Bango, Bongo...

[Niles Crane]

To quote one of the principals of the Ownership Group....{Hex}

Don't you mean principles?

[Mega Tortas de Bodemloze]

grammar nazi

[Omnipotent-Q]

Yes and no. I would have voted for Hader's medal, but that's only part of the point. The point is why are we debating over such petty things (like user titles.) Why must the CVRIA be dissolved for Guilds, why must there be an overreaction to everything? We're a bit too pragmatic at the moment, or so it seems. Participating in the CVRIA isn't necessarily meant to be fun, but the result, the general focus of everything we do, should be sensible, functional fun, right?

I agree that sometimes the Curia can bring people to over react a bit - sometimes though "sensible", "functional" and "fun" are all alien concepts to some.

[Omnipotent-Q]

meant to be fun? I mean certainly, TWCenter is meant to be fun, correct? Otherwise, we wouldn't be on a video game site. Now obviously, the CVRIA is also meant to be involved in site administration, sort of like a people's voice, but why? Obviously so that things can be changed, so we can have more fun! I mean, it's not like any of us are going to have a political career due to TWC. I'm not going to ever be able to put "Served 4 successful terms as CdeC member, and two as Curator, as well as a six month term as Content Director" or anything of the sort, on my resume.

So the ultimate goal of everything on TWCenter should be fun, right?

I think you've got a point. Sometimes the Curia can be all a bit serious and miss some of the obvious - we're all here to have fun, and the Curia should look at ways to be fun, and make things fun for everyone else. That's a lot of fun for one sentence but I think we should look at making some more absurd awards and the like for the lols!

[Hader]

That's a lot of fun for one sentence but I think we should look at making some more absurd awards and the like for the lols!

Yes and no. I would have voted for Hader's medal, but that's only part of the point.

[Niles Crane]

It's a matter of spelling, not grammar. I was going to make the point in a playful, lighthearted manner, but I don't think the Curia is the place for that.

[Thoragoros]

It's a matter of spelling, not grammar. I was going to make the point in a playful, lighthearted manner, but I don't think the Curia is the place for that.

Ugh...

[Lord Rahl]

The CVRIA has never supposed to be fun. I find that I enjoy debating in the CVRIA but it's not something I find "fun".

[aja5191]

No fun allowed.

Surely anyone who has become a citizen is aware of this?

[GrnEyedDvl]

Of course its supposed to be fun, if its not fun why be here? But...

If your definition of fun is simply posting a bunch of BS for some lulz, then you need to move on. I have always viewed the Curia's role in the site as a way of improving the entire site via interested site members. Sadly the Curia seems only interested in being involved in the Curia.

Handing out medals and awards is fine. Voting on membership is fine. But what else does the Curia do? Not much. And there is so much more it could do.

Site admins are responsible for the day to day site operations. Server issues, moderation stuff, basically maintaining everything this forum needs to keep running. And it takes up an enormous amount of time. There simply isnt enough free time to do a lot more stuff that we would like to do. Once you have responded to 20 PMs, gone through the Q & S, gone through the moderation forums, dealt with 5 forgotten passwords, and the million other things you never see that an administrator does, you simply dont have the energy to start new projects.

This is where the Curia can and should step in. Just take a look at all the defunct committees. The only ones the Curia are remotely interested in are the Awards Committee and stuff like peoples rights to post the F-bomb. Nobody wants to make any real commitment to expanding the site because that means putting in more work than merely posting your opinion. It means being in charge of something, organizing it, maintaining it, and helping it grow.

A perfect example is the TWC Uni. There for a year or so while I was running it, we banged out several successful courses. This is something I simply havent had much time to invest in for the last year or so, and it shows. Augustus Lucifer took over running it for a while, with some input from me, but once his available time dropped off there was nobody to step up and try to get things going again. I find it very sad that I am the Professor with the most classes held, and I havent held a class in over a year. Are you telling me there is nobody interested in that?

But preparing, managing, and overseeing a class is a LOT of work. I probably have over 100 hours in each class I held. If just a few members (3-4) of the Curia stepped up to the plate they could go out and recruit professors and help them get a course done. And the hell of it is you dont have to be a particularly technical person to handle that portion of the work. Yes, some of the classes will be very technical, but getting it organized doesnt require a technical person, just a person willing to keep everything running.

The same could be said of the Modding Registry. Hader has busted his ass for years now, with absolutely no help, to make that function.

Competitions, tournaments, all kinds of stuff can be done. Beli was going to do some tournament stuff, but with everything he is doing in Content it was too big of a chore to take on. I had requested volunteers to help run that, got a whole TWO responses, and then didnt hear back from anyone. Eventually I said to hell with it and the forums were removed.

Just take a look at the current topics in the Proth. User Titles, Color Changes, Rep Descriptions, Citizenship, Local Moderator. All are just scratching the surface of what the Curia could do, and are are pretty much meaningless in the greater scheme of things. Especially the one proposing that Local Mods have Citizenship requirements. That one actually strangles the ability of Hex to get people who will do things, and I can damn near promise a veto if that actually came to a vote. A prime example of what I mean there would be Gigantus, who made his mark as a modder with tons of tools and stuff, and was actually appointed a local moderator over some of the modding stuff well before he was a Citizen or a site Moderator. And thats completely ignoring the fact that mod group leaders are local moderators of their Hosted Mod forums. What a waste of time.

Another thing the Curia could and should be involved in is the expansion to cover other games/platforms. This is something we in Hex have kicked around a few times, but the last time the Curia looked at it was in 2007, which I might add is the year I joined, well before I became involved in the running of the site. We are now taking that up obviously, but when its come up before it has always gotten stuck on the back burner for various reasons. Again there is only so much that 7 or 8 people can do.

I dont think its any secret that I dont have a very high opinion of the Curia as a body. And that will not change as long as the Curia is only interested in superficial things. Hex change this, Hex make a skin like this, Hex why cant I post porn?

Some things will always be controlled by Hex, they have to be. When it comes to site finances, legal issues, and technical issues, Hex will always have the final say. Some ToS issues will be the same. But there are tons of other stuff the Curia can be involved in, if people are willing.

[Omnipotent-Q]

Handing out medals and awards is fine. Voting on membership is fine. But what else does the Curia do? Not much. And there is so much more it could do.

I totally agree with what you're saying Sir GrnEyes! I'm glad someone from Hex has come out and said "hey, Curia - you could be more useful".

We've got some of the people in the Curia who visit the site the most, contribute the most, do the most on the site. It obviously doesn't include everyone in that category but there's a good amount. I'd personally love to see people come up with suggestions that effect the site more than just colour changes - I think there's a culture of not thinking about these things in the Curia, or people are scarred of being lambasted or being told their idea isn't a goer. I personally am going to bring some stuff to the table I think could improve the site myself - however I'd be lying if I said I wasn't concerned that any suggestion would rile anyone doing their job or be seen as the Curia interfering in business nothing to do with them. But I've come to the conclusion if an idea isn't a goer - you don't know until you propose it and we all have a little chat about ideas. Improving a site for users isn't always obvious - especially if you're looking at it from a position of authority at the top, say on Hex - someone could propose an idea and Hex could be like "why didn't we think of that?". I think we all should be more proactive.

Once you have responded to 20 PMs, gone through the Q & S, gone through the moderation forums, dealt with 5 forgotten passwords, and the million other things you never see that an administrator does, you simply dont have the energy to start new projects.

Have you considered of upping a few choice moderator's access permissions to deal with these matters? Or hiring up another admin specifically to do these tasks?

I've always found it strange that the head of content isn't an administrator. I remember when gigiagiaigaigia was in charge of content and an admin - stuff was done very quickly and he would have had more support thrown his way in an admin position I imagine. There's an advantage to be had for the top content voice at the top giving feedback - asking for stuff technically that would make the job easier in terms of content creation. News is definitely under-developed for example - the ability to comment on news on the main page should be standard, and there should be more posts more often on relevant core TW matters - previews of Shogun 2 when coming up to release for example. But there's no structure for posting news from what I can see - Aradan does most of it and does a good job, but I think it's a fair summation that if he had a news team producing concise, accurate, objective and interesting news for visitors, it would help hit higher goals of turning visitors into posting members. Would Hex welcome some input in structuring news/technical suggestions on news improvements through Curial decisions?

This is where the Curia can and should step in. Just take a look at all the defunct committees. The only ones the Curia are remotely interested in are the Awards Committee and stuff like peoples rights to post the F-bomb. Nobody wants to make any real commitment to expanding the site because that means putting in more work than merely posting your opinion. It means being in charge of something, organizing it, maintaining it, and helping it grow.

I and various others I think would be up for being more proactive in making things grow. I don't know who is in charge of the Wiki, but I think there should probably be a forum in the Forum Magnum for it - help communicate where articles could be improved and stuff to do - get more people interested in it and editing it. Yeah there's some who debate for the sake of it - but there's others willing to get involved in projects. I think there should have been a curial decision before Shogun 2 setting up a temporary content team specifically to create a thorough guide for the game - as good as a Prima guide. You can't setup something like that easily in terms of manpower without setting up a specific team for it and having the more experienced content authors acting as editors. When a Shogun 2 expansion is inevitably announced at some stage (not DLC) - I think this is something that could add real value. Hell, you could even find a gem who comes in to help specifically on the project, who could add something to their team permanently.

But preparing, managing, and overseeing a class is a LOT of work. I probably have over 100 hours in each class I held. If just a few members (3-4) of the Curia stepped up to the plate they could go out and recruit professors and help them get a course done. And the hell of it is you dont have to be a particularly technical person to handle that portion of the work. Yes, some of the classes will be very technical, but getting it organized doesnt require a technical person, just a person willing to keep everything running.

My knowledge of the TWC University classes is personally quite limited - what's everyone else's view on the TWC University at the moment? I need to research before I form an opinion!

The same could be said of the Modding Registry. Hader has busted his ass for years now, with absolutely no help, to make that function.

Then maybe he would like some help? Perhaps integrating a bespoke solution into the system - almost a ModDb that people can comment on with their forum account - the solution to helping Hader might not necessarily be just people to help him - perhaps some better tools to make his job easier/users can navigate the mod registry better? Something like that wouldn't be a simple project, but could perhaps add massive value - if such a system existed, then the talk of covering mods for other games could easily be tried too. Sir Hader of course is the best man to give his 2 cents on the Modding Registry - what I just said may be totally inapplicable.

Competitions, tournaments, all kinds of stuff can be done. Beli was going to do some tournament stuff, but with everything he is doing in Content it was too big of a chore to take on. I had requested volunteers to help run that, got a whole TWO responses, and then didnt hear back from anyone. Eventually I said to hell with it and the forums were removed.

Indeed I'm sure CA would throw goodies towards a competition - developers love to do things like that. If the Curia was to think of some ideas for competitions and passed one as a decision, would Hex consider running with it?

Another thing the Curia could and should be involved in is the expansion to cover other games/platforms. This is something we in Hex have kicked around a few times, but the last time the Curia looked at it was in 2007, which I might add is the year I joined, well before I became involved in the running of the site. We are now taking that up obviously, but when its come up before it has always gotten stuck on the back burner for various reasons. Again there is only so much that 7 or 8 people can do.

What games/platforms specifically are you/were you considering? Consoles are very badly covered on the internet in general - mainly because if there's a PC version of something, then it is easier to write content for it - easier to provide support for it etc. Maybe you could consider setting up a sub-forum in other games that takes key news from RSS feeds of some big games news sites, and auto-posts it - you can view the news story in the thread, people can comment on it here - see what people are interested in most in terms of the stories, make moves to support such games more. I've not seen such systems very often but they generally go down well - the News Node is the best example of such a system implemented in my opinion. In any case, traffic in Other Games should probably be encouraged more if any movement into other games/platforms is to be successful in my opinion.

[Hader]

The same could be said of the Modding Registry. Hader has busted his ass for years now, with absolutely no help, to make that function.

Well I had a small team help with the mini mods project a couple years ago. At the moment though I'm going solo with it.

Then maybe he would like some help? Perhaps integrating a bespoke solution into the system - almost a ModDb that people can comment on with their forum account - the solution to helping Hader might not necessarily be just people to help him - perhaps some better tools to make his job easier/users can navigate the mod registry better? Something like that wouldn't be a simple project, but could perhaps add massive value - if such a system existed, then the talk of covering mods for other games could easily be tried too. Sir Hader of course is the best man to give his 2 cents on the Modding Registry - what I just said may be totally inapplicable.

Improving the registry in regards of making it easier to navigate might be something to go off of. Though to say anything is wrong with the registry or I am having trouble running it is false. I got much of the difficult work done quite a while ago. Right now it is more or less just maintenance and other small edits I try to do on a daily basis; things that are going to go unnoticed anyways. Really all I want to see for the registry now, in the short term, is expansion into non TW mods if hex so decides to better accommodate those. Other than that the only real 'problem' that has plagued the registry is lack of knowledge of its existence. Getting the word out is the best help I could get for it.


I hope everyone takes the time to read GED's post now, said it better than I ever could have. And as a side note, I have been really wanting to teach a class in the Uni for a while now but I can't think of something to do I don't want to see that place die out, it has such great potential. At the very least I would be interested in helping manage it, to an extent of hopefully gaining interest for people to start and join classes there and help set those up faster.

[Omnipotent-Q]

Improving the registry in regards of making it easier to navigate might be something to go off of. Though to say anything is wrong with the registry or I am having trouble running it is false. I got much of the difficult work done quite a while ago.

No I wasn't suggesting that there's anything wrong with the registry or you're having trouble running it - quite the opposite you're doing a fantastic job with it in my opinion. I was merely thinking out aloud to see if there was anything that can be done to support the good work you're doing, or make it easier for you to do in terms of functionality perhaps.

Right now it is more or less just maintenance and other small edits I try to do on a daily basis; things that are going to go unnoticed anyways. Really all I want to see for the registry now, in the short term, is expansion into non TW mods if hex so decides to better accommodate those. Other than that the only real 'problem' that has plagued the registry is lack of knowledge of its existence. Getting the word out is the best help I could get for it.

What do you feel would be the best ways to get the word out more? On the front page there's a side nav with some useful links - there's going to be people visiting the site looking for a mod to download, and obviously looking at the registry and/or searching it for a mod they fancy. Perhaps if there was a funky mod register image on there for your registry, it would be a help in getting the word out there more? Pic related:

I hope everyone takes the time to read GED's post now, said it better than I ever could have. And as a side note, I have been really wanting to teach a class in the Uni for a while now but I can't think of something to do I don't want to see that place die out, it has such great potential. At the very least I would be interested in helping manage it, to an extent of hopefully gaining interest for people to start and join classes there and help set those up faster.

Honestly - I've never really given it much notice until I went in there just now for a snoop around. There's some really good stuff in there - the mapping tutorial by GrnEyes is really informative. I think the main problem is people to teach courses - people will be interested if they exist. I think it probably does need another keen person such as yourself to get things moving again. I personally would love to see a course on another language - if only someone would willing drop by from Foreign Languages Discussion and get giving out that precious bilingual trait!

[GrnEyedDvl]

I totally agree with what you're saying Sir GrnEyes! I'm glad someone from Hex has come out and said "hey, Curia - you could be more useful".

Its hardly the first time I have said it.

Improving a site for users isn't always obvious - especially if you're looking at it from a position of authority at the top, say on Hex - someone could propose an idea and Hex could be like "why didn't we think of that?". I think we all should be more proactive.

That has happened several times, mainly in the Q & S.

Have you considered of upping a few choice moderator's access permissions to deal with these matters?

Its a permissions level thing. Either you have access to the admincp, or you dont. We did customize part of that for a very specific reason recently, but we dont really want to hack up the entire permissions system.

Or hiring up another admin specifically to do these tasks?

It wont work that way. If I assign someone to be specifically devoted to something like lost user passwords and changing user names, then do I just ignore the PM that I get because I happen to be online at that specific time and wait maybe 12 hours or more for that admin to deal with it? Obviously not. Things have to be dealt with as they pop up.

We all have to cover most of the bases most of the time, because not all of us are online 24/7. That being said, we do have specific areas we oversee. For example I am Tech and Tribunal with some Modding thrown in, and I am the CA contact. But I still get involved in moderation and other areas when something comes up that needs to be dealt with. The same can be said for every other admin.

I've always found it strange that the head of content isn't an administrator. I remember when gigiagiaigaigia was in charge of content and an admin - stuff was done very quickly and he would have had more support thrown his way in an admin position I imagine.

The head of Content has gone back and forth from being a Hex member to not. Beli is doing a great job with it. If he needs sometihng he just needs to ask. In fact the admincp hack that Squid worked up was because of a Content issue.

News is definitely under-developed for example - the ability to comment on news on the main page should be standard, and there should be more posts more often on relevant core TW matters - previews of Shogun 2 when coming up to release for example. But there's no structure for posting news from what I can see

You cant see it because of how it works. Its actually a hidden forum. Anything posted in those forums automatically shows up on the front page. Theres a forum for each section, and when Aradan needs to post a new news item he just posts in that forum and the front page pulls the info from there.

Once we actually get into vBulletin 4 we may make use of their CMS (Content Management System) which will expand some features. The version of software we are using now isnt really designed to be used as we are using it.

That is a ways out but it is coming. We still have some server issues to sort out, and both Sim and I have been really busy in our personal lives lately. We need to get the servers performing load balancing and then install/test vb4 and port all the hacks and skins over. Its a fair bit of work.

Would Hex welcome some input in structuring news/technical suggestions on news improvements through Curial decisions?

Definitely, just keep in mind there are some technical limitations at this point.

I and various others I think would be up for being more proactive in making things grow. I don't know who is in charge of the Wiki, but I think there should probably be a forum in the Forum Magnum for it - help communicate where articles could be improved and stuff to do - get more people interested in it and editing it.

Scorch ran the Wiki for a long time with help from people like makanyane. There used to be a Curial Wiki organization, in fact the Wiki Editor was an elected position. Ironically the Curia voted to disband that and remove the Wiki Editor as a Curial office. They even had to vote to remove the other Curial Commitees for "a strong lack of involvement".

Then maybe he would like some help? Perhaps integrating a bespoke solution into the system - almost a ModDb that people can comment on with their forum account - the solution to helping Hader might not necessarily be just people to help him - perhaps some better tools to make his job easier/users can navigate the mod registry better? Something like that wouldn't be a simple project, but could perhaps add massive value - if such a system existed, then the talk of covering mods for other games could easily be tried too. Sir Hader of course is the best man to give his 2 cents on the Modding Registry - what I just said may be totally inapplicable.

Get with him and get some ideas.

Indeed I'm sure CA would throw goodies towards a competition - developers love to do things like that. If the Curia was to think of some ideas for competitions and passed one as a decision, would Hex consider running with it?

Dont take this the wrong way.

Why the hell should I run with it? I have no doubt that the Curia would pass a decision saying that we should have stuff like that. What I do doubt is that anyone will step up to help manage it. After all its a lot of work. The Curia is great at passing things and then saying "Hex get this done" when we have no volunteers to help get it done. Its very easy for the Curia to say that someone else should get something done.

So I will throw your question back at you.

If a Curial decision gets passed, and I set up the structure for it, will YOU run with it?

What games/platforms specifically are you/were you considering?

See the Q & S for a few threads on this, and a survey.

I've not seen such systems very often but they generally go down well - the News Node is the best example of such a system implemented in my opinion. In any case, traffic in Other Games should probably be encouraged more if any movement into other games/platforms is to be successful in my opinion.

I am not familiar with News Node, but there are RSS feeds for vBulletin.

[Omnipotent-Q]

Its a permissions level thing. Either you have access to the admincp, or you dont. We did customize part of that for a very specific reason recently, but we dont really want to hack up the entire permissions system.

Oh I see - I assumed Vbulletin would have by now allowed for defining permission masks in admin cp for lower level admin access! No matter!

It wont work that way. If I assign someone to be specifically devoted to something like lost user passwords and changing user names, then do I just ignore the PM that I get because I happen to be online at that specific time and wait maybe 12 hours or more for that admin to deal with it? Obviously not. Things have to be dealt with as they pop up.

Indeed...I don't know why I didn't think that would be the case!

The head of Content has gone back and forth from being a Hex member to not. Beli is doing a great job with it. If he needs sometihng he just needs to ask. In fact the admincp hack that Squid worked up was because of a Content issue.

H'ok!

You cant see it because of how it works. Its actually a hidden forum. Anything posted in those forums automatically shows up on the front page. Theres a forum for each section, and when Aradan needs to post a new news item he just posts in that forum and the front page pulls the info from there.

Ah sorry - I think I've confused my language a bit by typing too quickly - by structure, I don't mean how news is posted to the front page. I know how that works - it looks like it runs in a similar system of post a thread, goes on the main page system that ON used to use a form of. It's a crap system, no offence. I spent a good amount of time writing a total bespoke solution once upon a time because a similar system of post in a forum, goes on the main page wasn't fit for purpose! It's good to hear you're considering a CMS to better handle the requirements sir.

But I digress - by structure, I mean in terms of editors and people posting news - a team similar to content. I've known news teams down the years - big ones, small one's, bright pink one's....I'll have a pop at defining something that may be useful - technical limitations and constraints in mind.

Scorch ran the Wiki for a long time with help from people like makanyane. There used to be a Curial Wiki organization, in fact the Wiki Editor was an elected position. Ironically the Curia voted to disband that and remove the Wiki Editor as a Curial office. They even had to vote to remove the other Curial Commitees for "a strong lack of involvement".

Wiki I think needs to be looked at in more detail too re: essentially disbanding what structure was in place for it. I'll research in more detail and see if I can propose something/get involved.

Why the hell should I run with it? I have no doubt that the Curia would pass a decision saying that we should have stuff like that. What I do doubt is that anyone will step up to help manage it. After all its a lot of work. The Curia is great at passing things and then saying "Hex get this done" when we have no volunteers to help get it done. Its very easy for the Curia to say that someone else should get something done.

If you had a news team you could delegate it to them! By "run with it" I'm referencing decisions passed by Curia have to be agreed by Hex before implementation/they can be outright rejected.

If a Curial decision gets passed, and I set up the structure for it, will YOU run with it?

Yep - I'm happy to offer whatever assistance is wanted if I feel I've got something to add. I didn't run in an election for a laugh - I ran because I don't think the Curia does enough and could be a lot more useful - not just passing decisions and passing them to you, but offering to help and getting the right people in the right places. I've got no qualms about getting my hands dirty and I'll research some of these issues brought up in more detail over the next few days - would be great if others in the Curia did the same like!

[Hader]

Why the hell should I run with it? I have no doubt that the Curia would pass a decision saying that we should have stuff like that. What I do doubt is that anyone will step up to help manage it. After all its a lot of work. The Curia is great at passing things and then saying "Hex get this done" when we have no volunteers to help get it done. Its very easy for the Curia to say that someone else should get something done.

This is basically how the modding registry started. Curial decision and at first registrar was a curial office, after Halie got the idea passed and implemented. I became first registrar, went at my job. Little under a year later, the curia was more like "What's the registry?"