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    Default Croatian General Ante Gotovina Guilty!

    Croatian general Ante Gotovina together with one more high ranking Croatian General found guilty by ICTY for war crimes in operation "Storm" conducted by Croatian army against Serb Krajina (Area of Croatia with majority of serb population at that time which rebelled against government in Zagreb)

    http://www.haguejusticeportal.net/eC...GFuZz1FTg.html

    What do now those guys which just yesterday were trying to explain how ICTY is "anti-Serb" court have to say?? They were even mentioning this case in particular without waiting for verdict to come..

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    Default Re: Croatian General Ante Gotovina Guilty!

    How did the phrase go? In war, truth is the first casualty...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Giorgos View Post
    How did the phrase go? In war, truth is the first casualty...
    the best post in entire thread. i second it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Armija View Post

    What do now those guys which just yesterday were trying to explain how ICTY is "anti-Serb" court have to say?? They were even mentioning this case in particular without waiting for verdict to come..
    I personally consider that 2 guys,responsible for the largest ethnic cleansing since WW2,expelling about 200.000 people from their homes and killing hundreds in the process,should receive more than 42 years together...


    But the reaction of the Croatian government is funny.

    "Kosor told that operation "Storm" was a legitimate operation with a goal of liberating Croatia from occupation"

    also

    ZAGREB -- Generals Ante Gotovina and Mladen Markač’s verdict was greeted by booing by about 2,000 people who gathered at Ban Jelačić Square in downtown Zagreb.

    Croatian citizens upon hearing the verdict (Beta/HINA)
    The Hague Tribunal sentenced Gotovina to 24 and Markač to 18 years in prison for crimes against Serbs during the operation Storm. General Ivan Čermak was acquitted.
    The crowd started whistling and booing after a Hague Tribunal judge delivered a guilty verdict to Gotovina. Many started to cry while others cursed, internet news outlet Index.hr has reported.

    One of the speakers at the rally, actor Božidar Alić said: “The war is still going on, we won’t accept it, war criminals are Mesić, Sanader…“
    http://www.b92.net/eng/news/region-a...5&nav_id=73828
    http://www.rts.rs/page/stories/sr/st...%C5%A1oku.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by il padrino View Post
    I personally consider that 2 guys,responsible for the largest ethnic cleansing since WW2,expelling about 200.000 people from their homes and killing hundreds in the process,should receive more than 42 years together...
    Now looking at other sentances against other War criminals I can't see how it is unfair..
    And It is not biggest ethnic cleansing in europe sice WW2 that is an lie..


    Quote Originally Posted by il padrino View Post
    But the reaction of the Croatian government is funny.

    "Kosor told that operation "Storm" was a legitimate operation with a goal of liberating Croatia from occupation"

    also
    Reaction Of Croatia is totally irrelevant this is about ICTY. What Croatian government say is of no importance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by il padrino View Post
    I personally consider that 2 guys,responsible for the largest ethnic cleansing since WW2,expelling about 200.000 people from their homes and killing hundreds in the process,should receive more than 42 years together...
    Just to correct you here: more than 850,000 Albanian Kosovars were expelled by Serbian forces, so no, it wasn't the largest, although I am of course aware you deny this war crime even took place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrets54 View Post
    Just to correct you here: more than 850,000 Albanian Kosovars were expelled by Serbian forces, so no, it wasn't the largest, although I am of course aware you deny this war crime even took place.

    And before that Ethnic cleansing of Bosnian Non Serbs was at even bigger scale but he doesn't count that ofcourse..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrets54 View Post
    Just to correct you here: more than 850,000 Albanian Kosovars were expelled by Serbian forces, so no, it wasn't the largest, although I am of course aware you deny this war crime even took place.
    850.000 people were kicked out in one single operation,really ?Source ?And not all 850.000 were kicked out,the majority were simply refugees.So show me a plan of the Yugoslav government to expel all Albanians.And be brief,since it's off topic.

    On the other hand we have this:

    On July 31, 1995, a meeting of Croatia’s top military and political leadership was held on the island of Brijuni.[33] Tudjman apparently spoke about "blows that will make the Serbs all but disappear, in other words, those we don’t reach immediately, must capitulate in the next few days."[34]
    The transcript of the meeting later formed the basis of the United Nations war crimes tribunal for the former Yugoslavia's allegation of a joint criminal enterprise found in the indictment against generals Ante Gotovina, Ivan Cermak and Mladen Markac.[18] The prosecution of the ICTY alleged that the content of the meeting was evidence of existence of a joint criminal enterprise to forcibly remove the Serb population from Croatia and prevent their return.[34] According to the prosecution, the Brijuni Transcripts demonstrated a shared intent to forcibly remove Serbs from the area through means such as shelling, destruction, looting, intimidation, and violence, while the defense maintains that Tudjman specifically spoke about rebel Serb military units when he referred to Serbs needing to "all but disappear"[35]
    The Croatian Chief State Prosecutor's Office has verified the authenticity of the recording of the Brijuni meeting.[36][37] Tudjman's words indicate his intent to move the civilian population out of the area while issuing false human rights guarantees.
    It is important that these [Serb] civilians start moving and then the army will follow them, and when the columns start moving, they will have a psychological effect on each other.[...] That means we provide them with an exit, while on the other hand we pretend to guarantee civilian human rights and the like...
    – Croatian President Franjo Tudjman[38]

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    Quote Originally Posted by il padrino View Post
    850.000 people were kicked out in one single operation,really ?Source ?And not all 850.000 were kicked out,the majority were simply refugees.So show me a plan of the Yugoslav government to expel all Albanians.And be brief,since it's off topic.


    Ethnic cleansing is an operation by itself and cannot be divided to the military operations so concentrated atempt by Serb forces to forcefully displace Albanian Population from Kosovo or Non Serb population from areas in Bosnia controled by serbs are 2 much bigger examples of ethnic cleansing (despite being conducted by several military operations) than expulsion of 200.000 Serbs from Krajina

    Quote Originally Posted by il padrino View Post
    On the other hand we have this:
    and what is that?? proof of what is already evident and nobody denies (OP is that Gotovina is Guilty, and he is guilty) so your posti is totally pointless..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Armija View Post
    Ethnic cleansing is an operation by itself and cannot be divided to the military operations

    Yes it can.

    (despite being conducted by several military operations)
    Please be kind,and provide a source for those operations.If 850.000 were kicked out in some operations,there must be some plans,names of the operation and such,like in the case of 'Operation Storm'

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    Quote Originally Posted by il padrino View Post
    850.000 people were kicked out in one single operation,really ?Source ?
    You know my source. You refuse to read it every single time I present it to you:

    http://www.hrw.org/en/reports/2001/1...-crimes-kosovo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrets54 View Post
    You know my source. You refuse to read it every single time I present it to you:

    http://www.hrw.org/en/reports/2001/1...-crimes-kosovo
    from your own source:
    This report documents torture, killings, rapes, forced expulsions, and other war crimes committed by Serbian and Yugoslav government forces against Kosovar Albanians between March 24 and June 12, 1999,
    Besides being the time frame of the NATO bombings,i asked you to name me a single operation where 850.000 Albanians were kicked out by our forces.Now you didn't answer it,like always.Now please,let's stop this off topic,i know you can't stand reading about Serbs being victims,so you need to hijack threads for your own purposes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrets54 View Post
    Just to correct you here: more than 850,000 Albanian Kosovars were expelled by Serbian forces, so no, it wasn't the largest, although I am of course aware you deny this war crime even took place.
    its not like kosovo albianias are real people

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlerich View Post
    its not like kosovo albianias are real people
    Back in the day we could have kept them as pets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrets54 View Post
    Just to correct you here: more than 850,000 Albanian Kosovars were expelled by Serbian forces, so no, it wasn't the largest, although I am of course aware you deny this war crime even took place.
    mass media can make you believe everything
    as i can see, you are from united kingdom, no wonder for that. try searching alternative sources
    now we can see why kosovo is made, cause it's the biggest trade center for drugs and human organs. UN did nothing about that question, even if there are evidence.

    these are serbian churches, date from 13th/14th century. hundreds of them destroyed
    now albanians are the good one, and serbs bad

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    and yes, here you go. try some alter infos, instead of using UN and NATO's info.
    next thing that i can hear from you is that iraqians and libyans (and other peoples) are the terrorist (needed to be saved by great america n)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zp6C1...eature=related
    long time no see, but still twc drug kickin'
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    Its good to see justice done.

    The croation leadership did conduct ethnic cleansing agaisnt Serbs in parts of Croatia and agaisnt muslims during Croatia's shortlived invasion of Bosnia. It's unfortunate that Croation President Tuđman died before he could be brought to trial.

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    It should be noted that the Croatian forces never resorted to the mass killings that the Republika Srpska forces perpetrated. The campaign of violence and intimidation that drove ethnic-Serbs from Croatia wasn't bloodless, but there is no evidence that they rounded up groups of boys and men and executed them in mass.

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    There is going to be several very irritating days in Croatian media.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aru View Post
    There is going to be several very irritating days in Croatian media.
    I think that i read somewhere that the Croatian media are to blame for this "shocked" reaction of the people,because they generated this perception that the sentence could be softer.

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    Default Re: Croatian General Ante Gotovina Guilty!

    This is good news, the war criminals on all sides need to be held accountable.

    (this, Serbs, is the proper way to respond when a Balkan War criminal is punished. Yes, even if they're a Serb.)

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