Rise of the Planet of the Apes

Really interested to see how apes overtook humanity, must have had help from PETA.

Been waiting for this movie for a while now.

Still I have to ask there cant be anymore than 100 Apes. Is that really enough to grow their new population?

Originally Posted by MathiasOfAthens

Been waiting for this movie for a while now.

Still I have to ask there cant be anymore than 100 Apes. Is that really enough to grow their new population?

It's movie science, they'll find some bs way to explain it, probably genetic engeneering and super monkey genes passing over into the offspring of supermonkey and regular monkey

Sometimes I fear that all the "scientists create trouble" movies are slowing down progress because people get scared and distrust science. (like geo engeneering and climate change, we could fix things with some clever engeneering but people would rather "repent" for their sins against "mother nature" and simply distrust science)

Still want to see the movie tough

Originally Posted by MathiasOfAthens

Been waiting for this movie for a while now.

Still I have to ask there cant be anymore than 100 Apes. Is that really enough to grow their new population?

I was wondering the same thing. How did they find enough Apes in the SF area to overrun the bridge like they did?? Didn't make much sense. Good movie though.

Originally Posted by justinx

I was wondering the same thing. How did they find enough Apes in the SF area to overrun the bridge like they did?? Didn't make much sense. Good movie though.

It showed them breaking ones out of the zoo at a point

Movies in the 60s just made more sense cause the graphics were bad and it was hard to see what was happening in the film. But now with all this "technology" the cracks in these plots are starting to show. Its really annoying.

The planet of the apes musical with Phill Hartman as Troy McLure remains the best version.

Originally Posted by Inhuman One

The planet of the apes musical with Phill Hartman as Troy McLure remains the best version.

"I CAN SIIIING!"

Damn you all to hell for making this movie!

Something I don't ing get about this plot.

Weren't the apes supposed to be some kind of evolutionary phenomenon, following an apocalyptic disaster as an obvious symbol of man's reversal into ape nature and humanity's penance for its crimes against nature and against itself?

I never saw the apes as being some biological accident on account of the humans. Man's decline from prominence and the apes' usurpation was more of a gradual, almost natural process as hinted in the original. It was not a sudden cataclysmic series of events, where apes went ape- on account of human meddling and took over. Almost nothing was left of man's civilization than traces and hidden subways. The earth was so transformed by ecological disaster and the drifting of continents that the travelers had no recognition of it. In the 2nd film, a civilization of ultra-intelligent and telepathic humans survived and resisted the ape succession underground and worshiped a nuclear bomb. So the intelligence of apes and small amount of super intelligent humans is on account of some wonder drug developed by James Franco?

Mathias, you're absolutely right to be totally confused by this plot. It doesn't seem to fit at all into the Apes saga.

Originally Posted by Future Filmmaker

Something I don't ing get about this plot.

Weren't the apes supposed to be some kind of evolutionary phenomenon, following an apocalyptic disaster as an obvious symbol of man's reversal into ape nature and humanity's penance for its crimes against nature and against itself?

I never saw the apes as being some biological accident on account of the humans. Man's decline from prominence and the apes' usurpation was more of a gradual, almost natural process as hinted in the original. It was not a sudden cataclysmic series of events, where apes went ape- on account of human meddling and took over. Almost nothing was left of man's civilization than traces and hidden subways. The earth was so transformed by ecological disaster and the drifting of continents that the travelers had no recognition of it. In the 2nd film, a civilization of ultra-intelligent and telepathic humans survived and resisted the ape succession underground and worshiped a nuclear bomb. So the intelligence of apes and small amount of super intelligent humans is on account of some wonder drug developed by James Franco?

Mathias, you're absolutely right to be totally confused by this plot. It doesn't seem to fit at all into the Apes saga.

IIRC you're describing the original implied story.
First film: Taylot and his colleagues arrive and the film we all know plays out.
Second film: attempted rescue by Brent and his crew, encountering telepathoc humans adn big nuclear explosion
Third film: Three apes (Cornelius, Zira and Milo) escape the nuclear blast by traveling back in time. The rest of the plot is basically the inverse of the original film. Zira leaves a child.
Fourth film: Cats and dogs die out, and apes are the new pets. They gradually become smarter and Caesar (the child of Zira) teaches them and eventually leads a rebellion.
Fifth film: rebellion is over and the world is a nuclear wasteland. A community of apes and humans works together to survive (Caesar and Macdonald being the de facto leaders of each group). Both are confronted by humans ad apes who want to destroy the other group completely. But they ultimately prevail and usher in an era of joint ape and human civilization.

Now originally the story was pretty much what you said, and the first two movies basically follow that premise. However after the third they introduced the idea of a violent uprising that was indeed facilitated by humans training the apes to become smarter (to use as slaves pretty much) and Caesar's leadership^.
And then in the fifth they change the future by cooperating peacefully.

Several attempts were made to reconnect with the original story.
The nuclear war that destroyed humanity suddenly became the nuclear war that was part of the ape rebellion, of which Caesar was the leader.
They then changed the story of Caesar to him actually being a pro-cooperation guy but that in the original films history had been rewritten by Caesar's rebellious general (who was anti-human) making Caesar out to be an ape supremacist.
But then in the fifth somehow they managed to avert that future.


Basically the original series was a garbled mess of retcons and alternate timelines

Originally Posted by Manco

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IIRC you're describing the original implied story.
First film: Taylot and his colleagues arrive and the film we all know plays out.
Second film: attempted rescue by Brent and his crew, encountering telepathoc humans adn big nuclear explosion
Third film: Three apes (Cornelius, Zira and Milo) escape the nuclear blast by traveling back in time. The rest of the plot is basically the inverse of the original film. Zira leaves a child.
Fourth film: Cats and dogs die out, and apes are the new pets. They gradually become smarter and Caesar (the child of Zira) teaches them and eventually leads a rebellion.
Fifth film: rebellion is over and the world is a nuclear wasteland. A community of apes and humans works together to survive (Caesar and Macdonald being the de facto leaders of each group). Both are confronted by humans ad apes who want to destroy the other group completely. But they ultimately prevail and usher in an era of joint ape and human civilization.

Now originally the story was pretty much what you said, and the first two movies basically follow that premise. However after the third they introduced the idea of a violent uprising that was indeed facilitated by humans training the apes to become smarter (to use as slaves pretty much) and Caesar's leadership^.
And then in the fifth they change the future by cooperating peacefully.

Several attempts were made to reconnect with the original story.
The nuclear war that destroyed humanity suddenly became the nuclear war that was part of the ape rebellion, of which Caesar was the leader.
They then changed the story of Caesar to him actually being a pro-cooperation guy but that in the original films history had been rewritten by Caesar's rebellious general (who was anti-human) making Caesar out to be an ape supremacist.
But then in the fifth somehow they managed to avert that future.


Basically the original series was a garbled mess of retcons and alternate timelines

Wait ... so there was more than 3 Planet of the Apes movies. AFAIK I though there were only two 2 movies

Wasn't the last movie and the likely source of inspiration to be the 2001 Planet of the Apes ? :

Actually in some way it does, they just went ape with the story.

and here in the Netherlands we would call such a story "een broodje aap." which would translate to an ape sandwich, which would mean its something not to be taken seriously.

I'm not really trying to take the movies too seriously, its just that it really lacks any consistency at all to be really considered part of the Apes saga. And it appears to be really lacking in most of the metaphysical themes of man's penance that were ever so present in the originals. This seems more like watered down 'fun' rather than something more gripping. Which is what made the first two Apes movies really so surprisingly good, despite having such glaring production flaws.

Are they going to make a massive carnage in which hundreds of apes are gunned down ? AFAIK the last planet of the apes wasn't gorish enough either

@Future Filmmaker:

Prepare to be Starship Trooped , this doesn't seems to fit into the saga in any logical sense.

There were 5 original movies and then the 2001 remake which indeed used some elements of all the original movies (specifically humans being responsible for the ape's rise and the concept of intelligent humans clashing with intelligent apes)

I never liked that plot drift myself at all.

OMG OMG OMG im a huge planet of the apes series fan i have every movie. can he talk like in the original? This is awesome!!! It has one of my favorite movie beats of all time that corny beat of dun dun, dun dun when the apes march.

dumb, just...dumb

I'd like to say I'm surprised by the negative views on 'Rise' displayed here (three months before release with a two minute trailer to base them on), but this is TWC where views are so narrow you could squeeze them up the back passage of a mouse.

Anyway , 'Rise' hits the screens tomorrow and being of an age where the first series of films (and the TV series) were still fresh I'm really hoping this lives up to my expectations. Pre-release reviews are far more positive than I thought they would be for this sort of film. Happily the influence of that Tim Burton abortion a few years back hasn't dampened hope for this reworking of one of the best movie franchises ever.

Originally Posted by MathiasOfAthens

Still I have to ask there cant be anymore than 100 Apes. Is that really enough to grow their new population

Might that depend on how many humans there are to stop them and in what time scale the 'Rise' might take place?