What does damage upgrade do...

[Ming1]

for the following:

Siege weapon. Is the blast radius increased or does it do more damage within that radius? I guess this could be tested by firing a fire rocket or trebuchet into a samurai unit and then into ashigaru but I always assumed that it one hit killed whatever was within the blast radius and if that's true, then damage upgrade would be useless if it simply did more damage in that radius.

Archers. I believe there is a damage stat and then an armor piercing stat and I'm wondering how each works and if increasing archer damage increases killing power in any way. If damage is considered only after armor piercing has been calculated, then wouldn't it make damage almost useless as all units have only one HP anyways? (aside from general)

Please offer up any advice or insight into this topic you might have

[vanadis]

I believe it will do more damage to towers and walls in siege battles.

[Tea]

I was thinking the same.

If the european canon for example do hit its target. Then it will die in one shot.
Therefor the damage bonus much either be increased AoE or as Vanadis said ; Increased damage on walls.
If it is just increased damage on walls then it's quite bad.

[AggonyKing]

I think it has to do with the HP of the units. So it would take away more from the HP. HP as in hitpoints.

[Knowing Crow]

for the following:

Siege weapon. Is the blast radius increased or does it do more damage within that radius? I guess this could be tested by firing a fire rocket or trebuchet into a samurai unit and then into ashigaru but I always assumed that it one hit killed whatever was within the blast radius and if that's true, then damage upgrade would be useless if it simply did more damage in that radius.

Archers. I believe there is a damage stat and then an armor piercing stat and I'm wondering how each works and if increasing archer damage increases killing power in any way. If damage is considered only after armor piercing has been calculated, then wouldn't it make damage almost useless as all units have only one HP anyways? (aside from general)

Please offer up any advice or insight into this topic you might have

With Siege weapons, as they already kill everything in one shot, will do more damage to buildings with the upgrades. Great for sieges.

Archers have a percentage chance to be lethal based on their own damage mitigated by the targets armor. The higher the armor, the less chance the arrow will be lethal. With armor piercing it ignores some of the armor. With bonus damage it has a higher chance to be lethal. They both essentially do the same thing. +damage archers will ruin low armored troops day. +damage and armor piercing will become the bane of cavalry, and will be able to cut through just about anyone.

Think of +damage an overall +lethality bonus that weakens as the opponent obtains more armor (significant lethality bonus against low armor troops such as Ashigaru and cavalry, but only slight lethality against troops with high armor such as the Naginata Samurai). While +Armor Piercing the reverse (Significant lethality bonus against heavily armored troops, slight lethality bonus against low armor troops).

HP is essentially how many times they have to be struck "Lethal" in order to actually die. Increasing damage increases the chance this will be lethal, and armor piercing ignores some of their armor, making it less effective in reducing the chance of being struck lethal. Certain weapons deal enough damage to hit for multiple HP, such as artillery or gunpowder. I have seen general survive bullets, though they seemed to be more resistant to bullets in Empire. I've also seen generals survive cannons, of all things, but only once. This particular general had several +HP traits and +HP retainers, and was in Medieval 2, so it may be different. He was clearly wounded though, as he appeared quite bloody after the canon shot.

[Hellskey]

Hey I have a question, does your units use its melee defense points when you let it stand and be charged, and does it use its attack points when you order your units to counter charge?

[Knowing Crow]

Hey I have a question, does your units use its melee defense points when you let it stand and be charged, and does it use its attack points when you order your units to counter charge?

Yes, and yes. Charge bonus is simply a temporarily attack increase added on to your base attack when charging, typically resulting in them destroying the first person they hit (or plowing through them if cavalry). This is always compared to the targets melee defense and armor. The purpose of the charge bonus is to try and give your unit such a large attack (temporarily at least) in order to try and make the opponents armor and melee defense skills irrelevant.

Except spear wall (Ability that Yari Ashigaru have). I haven't checked exactly what the spear-wall ability does stat-wise, but a charge into a spear wall is not going to end well for the attacker. I've seen Yari Cavalry hit a spear wall, inflict zero casualties, and be butchered in a matter of seconds.

Knowing Crow, has anyone ever told you that your name is quite appropriate? At least the first part.

Occasionally yes. I'm always worried that it makes me out to be pretending to be some kind of know-it-all.

[StormtrooperDan]

I've seen Yari Cavalry hit a spear wall, inflict zero casualties, and be butchered in a matter of seconds.

Have you seen a full melee avatar bodyguard charge into a spear wall...different story haha. I was all like haha that idiot is going to lose his general and Great Guard, then I was like OH IN A URINAL!

[Knowing Crow]

Have you seen a full melee avatar bodyguard charge into a spear wall...different story haha. I was all like haha that idiot is going to lose his general and Great Guard, then I was like OH IN A URINAL!

Hm, that would suggest that most of the bonus from Spear Wall is Bonus to Cavalry, thus negated by the General, thus meaning that the Spear Wall isn't as effective against infantry as it is against Cavalry. I'll need to test to determine what the bonuses it receives are. Most interesting.

[Ming1]

Knowing Crow, has anyone ever told you that your name is quite appropriate? At least the first part.

[The Bobba-Job]

I think damage interacts with a units armour. I fielded m katana hero with +2 armour (11 or 12 i think) thanks to vet upgrade and retainers, and it was abe to shrug off a direct hit from a mangonel without sustaining any casualties. Perhaps a higher damage result in not only better damage vs walls ect, but a greater likelyhood of killing units with high levels of armour.

[Kuarlos]

it was abe to shrug off a direct hit from a mangonel without sustaining any casualties

They will have all lost a hp. No visible effects but practically they will have become a lot weaker.

[The Bobba-Job]

They will have all lost a hp. No visible effects but practically they will have become a lot weaker.

I thought only your general had `HP`, and, like in Rome, it was stated if a unit had extra `HP`. The Katana Hero proceeded to surivive a good few vollies of arrows unscathed, and took no casualties throughout the whole match...They must have a) a load of hp b)beastly armour