How to fight a wood camper?

[StormtrooperDan]

This game seems to give all the advantage to the defender.

With the woods being the counter to artillery, archers, matchlocks, and cavalry, I'm finding games where the enemy army just sets up a defensive formation in the them and never come out.

Since I don't want to win the waiting game, I'm forced to attack them. Does anybody have good experience fighting against wood campers?

[GambleFish]

This game seems to give all the advantage to the defender.

With the woods being the counter to artillery, archers, matchlocks, and cavalry, I'm finding games where the enemy army just sets up a defensive formation in the them and never come out.

Since I don't want to win the waiting game, I'm forced to attack them. Does anybody have good experience fighting against wood campers?

One of my vids is against a wood camper. Not the best camper, but I give some insight into how maneuvering can force him to tip his hand or sit in a bad spot. Check my links below!

[StormtrooperDan]

Yep, saw your video. You had a really good cavalry flank!

But lets assume a camper that defends all sides properly and have matchlocks as well.

[GambleFish]

Yep, saw your video. You had a really good cavalry flank!

But lets assume a camper that defends all sides properly and have matchlocks as well.

Hmm. Then you die a horrible, agonizing death.

To be honest, using archers with range greater than matchlocks can do damage, even if they are in the trees. If they have both matchlock and archers, then they are weaker on infantry. You could send a loose formation something (stretched out in a line) to serve as cannon fodder while you close in.

Try to get a sense ofwhat his army composition is, then you can work to counter it. It's really tough to beat campers for sure

[RTKAnton]

The main advantage when facing a wood camper is that they usually contain themself giving you a free surround as long as you don't get to eager. And when you reach this position there's usually to things that happens.

1. he/she has a ranged heavy army compared to you giving you the chance to engage without to many casualties due to the surround.

2. you have a ranged heavy army compared to he/she forcing him to come out of hiding after a while after loosing the arch war. Remember to use units like yari ash to scout in these situations to not give up the first volley, this also works on the other exampel.

[RafaWallace]

i dont have a clue...yesterday i played a game and i have

1 ashigaru matchlock
4 bow ashigaru
4 yari cav
3 yari ashigrau
3 katana amurais
3 Loan sword

my enemy has

4 bow monks
4 bow samurais
3 yari samurai
2 Great Guards

A river was between us...so, facing this mass ranged..i cant do anything..just wait he cross the river...on the other side he stay waiting my charge....

after 20 min of a chill battle, i think he lost his patience and cross the river...2 min of battle, i win..

i dont think that is the right way for shogun battles..the same think happens with some guys that play with siege weapons and mass ranged, they simply stay chilled and....if u attack u loose if i dont attack...some guys press alt + f4 if u dont attack ..its a easy way to grain ratting...

same thing for wood campers...

im my opinion, sega need to put time on online battles, and maybe put a objective...like....if the time runs out, the higher ratting loose...forcing the higher ratting to attack, or maybe a beacon to catch...forcing u to attack and defende at the same time...or flag...something like that...making the online battles more strategic and dynamic...and funny..

sorry about my bad english...

[Oda]

I played against quite a few wood campers, and I won every single battle. When camping in the woods he totally kills his own maneuverability, so you can outflank him, surround him, and kill him. Especially if he has tons of archers - they are weak in meele. So if he is forced to bunch up to stay alive, you can shoot him and still make some good kills.

[RafaWallace]

the problem is, when a wood camper has some cavalry...u cant sourround with your inf, or will be charged by cav..

and when they are on a hill..it becomes harder..even without cav...

[StormtrooperDan]

I guess my problem is that I run with a half melee / half ranged army. With them being in the woods just negates half my army. Now if I went with a full melee army, they wont even bother to camp in the woods. Problem solved except I like my bows/gunz.

[RafaWallace]

I guess my problem is that I run with a half melee / half ranged army. With them being in the woods just negates half my army. Now if I went with a full melee army, they wont even bother to camp in the woods. Problem solved except I like my bows/gunz.

thats is my problem to, i use archer, yari, sword and cav....i dont like to play a full melle army....if i need a full melle to beat a wood camper...well...so there is no strategy...becouse everbody will plays with full melle...or wood camp army

i think the best strategy vs a wood camp is...dont attack...wait he down the hill...but it can take all night...that is becouse i think sega need to put time limit on online battles...

[bushranger]

It's a pain in the ass if you have a balanced army as you just dont a major advantage to push.When i have gone against it its always turned into a pretty long battle because you sort of have to keep on doing small strikes and and move your guys around alot,then just hope he makes a mistake by opening up a weak spot,then just send in your guys and hope for the best.

[Kuarlos]

This works for me;

a. get out of range of whatever he has, and stay there.

b. take your time, and look at their position, pick the best approach for a melee charge be it even ground or a handy treeline ect.

c. deploy your cav all at once fast, keep them so they can support each other, sweep as a big unit through any areas you think might contain nasty surprises in his deployment zone away from his main body.

d. get the infantry moving, vs one mangonel camper i started 'bounding' that is to say if you cant stay out of range, you can move your units through woods hiding them and moving the next one, its quite effective. Have the infantry line up along your chosen approach. I dont do loose formations, some do.

e. at the same time once you have cleared out any suspicious woods where there might be units tweacherasly hidden to ambush you other than those you know about, have the cav take up positions all around the camper.

f. if you are sensible enough to take a bow cav unit, then position this in view behind what is now the campers rear (as you look from what will be your main approach), it will draw off a unit of bow and a unit of spear.

g. GO FOR IT- by this point the camper should be stretched, he will have to deploy spear units to counter the cav, missile units to counter the bow cav, his original position will have had to be rearranged and if there is one thing campers arent good at through lack of practice its manouvering on the fly.

-infantry rushes forward in a straight out and compact charge up the hill/into the woods, damiyo still keeps his distance- you MUST keep him safe.

-bows take up position behind your infantry and shoot his melee infantry or anything that impedes the charge.

-cav hit soft spots from every angle, their aim is to scalp the enemy dam if given a chance, rout bows, or to cause as much confusion as possible, going kamikaze and just getting involved here helps, dont try and match his cav, try and occupy it. Camper armies bunch up because they have a delicious chewy centre. Your cavs job is to take a bite out of it whilst your melee overstretches him.

From there a gap will open up for your cav, god knows where it ll be and thats the tricky bit, could be getting his dam, hitting the rear of a melee, causing the melee to rout through making the archers behind it rout, important tactic is that if your cav is engaged and you see the opportunity, you need to keep clicking the order to make sure they disengage and move.

[StormtrooperDan]

Haha Kuarlos, from the way you describe it, it actually sounds epic and fun to play against a woods camper.

[Blom89]

I find I am always the aggressor in my battles.

I'm always the one to charge right into battle while there busy setting up a defense on a hill or some gay crap.

[Rigby]

CA just need to put Dojos on every map even if its just 1 of them . When you capture it the opponent has a limited time maybe say 10 minutes to recapture ..... if he doesnt then he losses the game. That way a camper has to come out and fight. Thats just my suggestion how to deal with that scenario.

[RafaWallace]

CA just need to put Dojos on every map even if its just 1 of them . When you capture it the opponent has a limited time maybe say 10 minutes to recapture ..... if he doesnt then he losses the game. That way a camper has to come out and fight. Thats just my suggestion how to deal with that scenario.

Totaly agreed....and with more dojos, just the player with more dojos, wins ...

[Wodeson]

Something you find in a lot of tradition dice and metal figure historical wargames is the army/baggage camp. Generally, both sides first deploy their camp, and then their armies next. If in the course of the game, you capture and loot your opponents camp it counts against them, and contributes to breaking the morale of their army.

[vanadis]

CA just need to put Dojos on every map even if its just 1 of them . When you capture it the opponent has a limited time maybe say 10 minutes to recapture ..... if he doesnt then he losses the game. That way a camper has to come out and fight. Thats just my suggestion how to deal with that scenario.

Very true. Just make sure the timer stops as soon as one enemy unit enters the capture zone of the building. Else it would be overpowered to defend the buildings with all the advantages they offer.

[NEDKIL Speedmeister General]

I really would love it if archers fire arrows would set alight the forests then forcing them out....No place to hide no place to run.