Hi all
I feel a bit sad asking this, but when should or should i not use the shield wall?
Cheers
Owl
Shield Wall Questions
Hi all
I feel a bit sad asking this, but when should or should i not use the shield wall?
Cheers
Owl
at river crossings
Thank you for the quick reply but what is its strengths i.e how is it against calavery charges and arrows.
thanks again
owl
It's main strengh is to withhold the Celtic inf masses.
Because of it's strengh house rules state that it should only be 2 lines deep.
As far as I know it doesn't offer missile protection.
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You should use it for defense, I would suggest against the barbarians it works the best for it should be setup 2 rank deep, so you shouldnt do 3 or 4 only 2 ranks. It doesnt work well against the other factions but does against barbarians. lol
Shield wall should look like this with the unit spread out as far as they will go, which would equal 2 ranks deep.
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Thanks guys
wait, i just realized, does this mean no "loose" formation anymore?
Creator of SPQR:TW Mod
On for the romans infantry Javelin etc all have loose formation. You can make it for any units a person likes when modding it. I made it for the roman infantry
geez, this thing worked a little too well... used it on the gauls as recommended, but also as advised haven't tried on other more "civilized" factions. what makes it work? i don't get it. visually i doesn't look all that impressive. and why only good against barbarians? is it something in the unit stats or formation files? just curious
The Voice of Reason
Originally Posted by tai4ji2x
Historically the way it would work would be by having shields overlapping each over. This prevents cavalry from caving your infantry into bits and offers good protection against attackers with spears and swords. A good example of how effective the shield wall works and how it frustrates attacks read up on the battle of Hastings. This battle also highlights what happens when a shield wall isn’t well disciplined.
In the game the shield pack your men in tighter and offers them a much higher defensive bonus. In custom battles I have held of a whole horde of German barbarians using 6 Auxilla infantry units in shield wall for an entire battle.
does anyone have a pic of the ''shield wall''? would like to try it
freddie: thanks. though i'm still wondering about the game mechanics, as to why LT says it's really only effective against barbarians.
barbarians always attack at 1 single point in your line,and when they do that they will with a lot of force,so its best to have 2 lines
i still don't understand why it supposedly doesn't work well against "civilized" troops?
Creator of SPQR:TW Mod
Try it an find out. In SPQR different tactics are used for different situations. Its up to you to learn the tactics or research roman tactics. ;-)
ok, so it doesn't work - i'm just wondering "why" in terms of game mechanics...
Ordinarius
Yea, had me wondering the same exact thing all along, the big WHY does it work against barbarians when supposedly to my understanding all melle sword infantry are pretty much the same save for superior/inferior stats. Maybe RTW is a little deeper than we all thought lol.
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hey LT, did you ever give an explanation for this? again, just game-mechanics-wise, not historically, or whatever etc. thx
i duno how deep RTW goes, but i think a good example of its depth would be that shooting at infantery with missle troops is more effective from there right flank then there left, seeing as if tehy carry it a shield its in there left and they cant use it to protect there right with it effectively.
I guess i should try this shield wall against the gauls, they are giving me a hard time.
Ghost
just never try using it against elephants, it gets very messy very quickly.
I've found it works well against most types of sword-infantry, including some 'civilised' ones such as the greek and macedonian sword phalanxes and the light infantry of the carthaginians (which makes sense as all three of those tend to use slashing swords and the shieldwall restricts the soldiers space to slash, whereas the romans stab).
Lt, when you say use it against barbarian are you saying this from a historical point of view (ie. a 'house rule') or from a game mechanics point of view?
I know it doesn't work well against phalanxes, but that makes sense too.
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