Let's all swear a code of honor to fight by:

[Uncle_Uzi]

Too many threads about people who camp, people who overuse forests and people who cheat by bringing too much artillery.

So let's put an end to this. Let's all pledge to fight honorably and fairly.

Follow these 5 simple rules and honor can be achieved by all who seek glory on the battlefield:

#1 - I swear to allow my opponent a mostly full view of my army as the battle begins, only using forests and ambush tactics when no other option is available.

#2 - I swear to fight honorably, making my warriors die valiantly when defeat is imminent, never to cowardly retreat in hopes of dragging out the battle needlessly long when the main fight has clearly been lost.

#3 - I swear to field balanced, diverse armies whose main tactics shall never be solely focused upon making the enemy come to me.

#4 - I swear to avoid the use of artillery when possible, as such methods of fighting are cowardly and disgraceful.

And finally

#5 - I swear to fight every battle until the bitter end, and to take every loss honorably and with dignity. (Come on guys who use Alt+F4... it's not like you need to actually commit seppuku if you lose )

Sign your name below if you want to help build a better Shogun 2 community.

[GambleFish]

#1 - I swear to allow my opponent a mostly full view of my army as the battle begins, only using forests and ambush tactics when no other option is available.

I dunno about this one. Ambush tactics are pretty much a crucial part of warfare in every conflict... well, ever. Camping in the hills is one thing, but denying your opponent information while trying to maintain the element of surprise? That's not really an exploit, nor is it dishonorable. At least, I don't think so.

[Tepok]

I Swear:

All the time. Well, that's not what the topic is about.

So:

I swear:

- Not to hunt the general before half of his army has faller or he is in an extremely vulnerable position, and only by means where the general's bravery can be tested (close quarters)

- To use whatever tactics I consider worthy to achieve victory. Deception, lies, taunts and ambushes are all worthy. Sun Tzu was right.

- To fight opponents that are said to be superior without fear, to fight to the last man that still wants to fight.

- To never abandon a battle against someone who doesn't move, even on sieges.

- To use all weapons that are given to me and to use them as intended, not with shameful intentions.

[Knowing Crow]

Too many threads about people who camp, people who overuse forests and people who cheat by bringing too much artillery.

So let's put an end to this. Let's all pledge to fight honorably and fairly.

Follow these 5 simple rules and honor can be achieved by all who seek glory on the battlefield:

#1 - I swear to allow my opponent a mostly full view of my army as the battle begins, only using forests and ambush tactics when no other option is available.

#2 - I swear to fight honorably, making my warriors die valiantly when defeat is imminent, never to cowardly retreat in hopes of dragging out the battle needlessly long when the main fight has clearly been lost.

#3 - I swear to field balanced, diverse armies whose main tactics shall never be solely focused upon making the enemy come to me.

#4 - I swear to avoid the use of artillery when possible, as such methods of fighting are cowardly and disgraceful.

And finally

#5 - I swear to fight every battle until the bitter end, and to take every loss honorably and with dignity. (Come on guys who use Alt+F4... it's not like you need to actually commit seppuku if you lose )

Sign your name below if you want to help build a better Shogun 2 community.

I swear to cripple myself, ignore the Art of War, and fight like an idiot?

[Tepok]

I swear to cripple myself, ignore the Art of War, and fight like an idiot?

Sun Tzu was chinese. Playing a japanese faction makes him scorn these dishonourable ways.

[Knowing Crow]

Sun Tzu was chinese. Playing a japanese faction makes him scorn these dishonourable ways.

The statue of Sun Tzu standing in Japan would say otherwise.

Sun Tzu's writings greatly influenced the generals during the Warring States period.

[Tepok]

The statue of Sun Tzu standing in Japan would say otherwise.

Sun Tzu's writings greatly influenced the generals during the Warring States period.

I own a copy of the (holy) book. It was chinese in origin. At least the first known editions were written in chinese.

I also own a copy of Clauswitz's guide too "On War". The philosophy of that one is mainly: "Crush them with an iron fist". Less interesting/smart. More European.

[Knowing Crow]

I own a copy of the (holy) book. It was chinese in origin. At least the first known editions were written in chinese.

I also own a copy of Clauswitz's guide too "On War". The philosophy of that one is mainly: "Crush them with an iron fist". Less interesting/smart. More European.

I'm not saying he wasn't Chinese, silly. I'm saying him being Chinese is irrelevant, he still influenced Japanese warfare.

[Uncle_Uzi]

I swear to cripple myself, ignore the Art of War, and fight like an idiot?

That's the sign of a poor general right there buddy, are you saying that victory is impossible without the use of ambush tactics?

BTW I think you're misinterpreting what I mean by using forests, etc. There is nothing dishonorable about flanking through a forest, or using one as temporary cover as a means to make a greater all-round battle scheme come to fruition.

A general WILL however lose my respect if he insists on concealing his entire force. It shows a lack of respect for his warrior's capabilities and a cowardly demeanor. You don't seem to understand what made medieval warfare around the globe so epic. It was a general all-round willingness for belligerents to meet on the open plain and duke it out (they had balls).

Concealing your entire force right out of the gate is much like kicking a man in the nuts during a fistfight.

[Jetro]

Call it what you will, but there was never anything wrong with ambushing an enemy army or not revealing your forces in any culture. Army's might have met on the field and slugged it out when they had no other choice, but in the end it was all about who won and many historic generals knew that all too well. So expect me to take any advantage I'm given whether it be a hill or trees and I'll expect the other guy to do the same. And if he wants to give up his advantages for some misguided sense of honor. More power to him.

I really don't know of any general that gave up the high ground or revealed his forces because it wasn't fair to his enemy.

[Knowing Crow]

That's the sign of a poor general right there buddy, are you saying that victory is impossible without the use of ambush tactics?

BTW I think you're misinterpreting what I mean by using forests, etc. There is nothing dishonorable about flanking through a forest, or using one as temporary cover as a means to make a greater all-round battle scheme come to fruition.

A general WILL however lose my respect if he insists on concealing his entire force. It shows a lack of respect for his warrior's capabilities and a cowardly demeanor. You don't seem to understand what made medieval warfare around the globe so epic. It was a general all-round willingness for belligerents to meet on the open plain and duke it out (they had balls).

Concealing your entire force right out of the gate is much like kicking a man in the nuts during a fistfight.

That is a straw man argument. Point out where I said that victory is impossible without the use of ambush tactics. Respect for each other is widely opinionated and I see no reason to limit myself because my opponent may think less of me for various tactics. Some people may look down on me for a large army ambushing them through the forest, others may find it highly respectful. Your specific example is entirely your opinion, not necessarily the opinion of the time, and not necessarily shared by many other people.

#1 - I swear show what troops I want my opponent to see, and hide troops I don't want my opponent to see.

#2 - I swear to draw out fights as long as I can using skirmishing troops until they route or are broken, or run out of arrows. Only exception is if victory was impossible. If victory is at all possible, then my opponent must earn his happy ending.

#3 - I swear to field whatever the hell I want to field.

#4 - I swear to use artillery when I feel the need to use artillery.

And finally

#5 - I swear to fight every battle until the bitter end, and to take every loss honorably and with dignity. Yeah, I can agree with this one at least.

[bangell99]

I don't think you can disallow ambush tactics, but the rest seem alright.

[Kansuke]

I like infantry only armies so if my enemy has lots of cavalry, the only militarily sound strategy is to place my army in a forest and to not come out. To chase a cavalry heavy army with an infantry only army would be tactical suicide. I believe that the use of cover is a prime tool in achieving victory. To go out and fight a battle on your enemy's terms only indicates you're either truly brave or foolishly courteous. I am all about being polite to your opponent and fighting the battle from start to finish as anyone should, but to agree to fight only in the open seems excessive...

After all, if we only want "fair" and flat battles, CA should just make every battlefield an empty flat grassy field. I like battles which have character. If someone decides to camp, well let them, I will dislodge them. I think camping is a totally acceptable tactic even if it pisses me off sometimes. Heck, I camp too if the situation is one where I clearly am incapable of winning on the open field. Wellington was a famous defender. He forced his opponents to attack him, and then he crushed them once they were where he wanted them. Some people like the offence, and others like playing defense. Each has its strengths and weaknesses. Neither is impossible to overcome.

[Prof]

#1 - I swear to allow my opponent a mostly full view of my army as the battle begins, only using forests and ambush tactics when no other option is available.

#2 - I swear to fight honorably, making my warriors die valiantly when defeat is imminent, never to cowardly retreat in hopes of dragging out the battle needlessly long when the main fight has clearly been lost.

#3 - I swear to field balanced, diverse armies whose main tactics shall never be solely focused upon making the enemy come to me.

#4 - I swear to avoid the use of artillery when possible, as such methods of fighting are cowardly and disgraceful.

And finally

#5 - I swear to fight every battle until the bitter end, and to take every loss honorably and with dignity. (Come on guys who use Alt+F4... it's not like you need to actually commit seppuku if you lose )

1 - No, I won't give up tactics just because some people might lose against me if I used them

2 - As long as I still have a chance, I'm going to use it

3 - I'm no more a camper, but to hell with balanced armies

4 - Artillery forces you to camp so I don't use it anyway

5 - If my enemy sucks, I leave the game before the battle has even started

[maxlurifax]

I swear to give it my all and fight to win.

I'm getting tired of all the "buhu! /cry this guy killed my general, that guy used artillery, that guy snuck up on me with cavalry in a forest *sniff* stop it!".

The only bad players do in this game is hill/tree camping without a way to force the opponent into a confrontation(like arty) And ofc Alt f4.

[Pyramid Head]

1. I swear not to Alf+F4.
2. I swear not to use bugs and exploits of the game.
3. I swear to use each any strategy that can lead me to victory, totally disregarding opponent's opinion about strategy and tactic inacted.
4. I swear to mock and laugh on anyone who tries to impose some kind of laws to the engagement.

[{GODS}Scipio_Africanus]

i'd swear to all but the first. the most important part of war is deception. deception wins battles and wars.

[BunnyPoopCereal]

I agree with having a code of honor but it will only work if everyone swears by the code, and everyone is not going to do this.

You can still play with your friends with and agreed set of terms though

[D|major]

In my clan, the Warriors of Crom, we have got the following 'Commandments':

1- Always behave politely and show sportsmanship. Always be gracious regardless of the outcome. Never respond to insults, if it is severe enough take screenshots and give them to your Emissary.
2- Fight with honour, do not cheat, corner camp or crash games.
3- Always display your (WoC_ tag.
4- The highest ranking clan member will command the battle unless agreed to beforehand, listen to what they say as they are there to help improve your skill. You must always be willing to take advice and to give it.
5- Put the success of the clan above personal glory.
6- Do not kick people from a game without reason, and always explain why you are doing so (i.e: they do not respond to chat and will not team up etc...).
7- If you are member of another Total War clan, you have to QUIT the other Clan BEFORE you can join us. It is a leap of faith on your part and shows that you truly want to be a dedicated Member of WoC. Joining another clan once you are in WoC means you are automatically resigning from WoC. We demand 100% loyalty.

We go really well with it, because that are the most important things in every Total War in my opinion. These Commandments keep us in high respect in the multiplayer community. (If this sounds good to you, take a look HERE )

[The Emperor of Down Under]

1) No

2) No

3) No

4) No

5) No

I am gonna alt+f4 whenever I can because I can. Alt F4ing is awesome I can use it as a threat to another player. You let me win otherwise I will alt F4.

Its an awesome tatic. You people should and probably do use it all the time.