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    Default Honour Clan League- The Way of the Warrior



    Total War : Budo (Way of the Warrior) League

    Utilizing the core values of the Bushido,
    Members live the Samurai Code through behavior in multi-player:

    No fear of death
    No fear of defeat
    No thoughts of victory
    Honouring the way of the true warrior
    Service to Clan above all things


    Background

    The current condition of multiplayer warfare at the moment is in a sad, dog eat dog state.

    Battles are entered with hardly a greeting offered, quitters abound not wanting to incur a loss on the clan ladders, spam tactics too often the norm. There is sadly little friendly camaraderie. New players are afraid to enter the battlefield, and experienced players contemplate abandoning match made altogether after a plague of rage quitters means no result for match after match played.

    Is there an alternative? We believe there is.

    The ‘Budo League’ will be a co-operative endeavour between like minded individuals and clans just wanting to fight a fair fight; a self administrating group treating each other as equal human beings, learning and enjoy the infinite positive experiences of game-play with a competitive opponent.

    How it will work:

    • Matches between clans will be arranged by a clan ambassador or team representative in a fixed venue for such communications(ie forum etc), who will contact other possible opponent clans and negotiate times and clan players.
    • Games will be hosted in the mp battle list and clearly marked (eg Takeda vs Uesugi 1).
    • Pre-arranged passwords will be used for such games.
    • Pre-agreed upon rule sets will be applied
    • All game replays will be saved in a central league database.


    What you will need:

    • You will need to be in a clan that is willing to adopt the rule sets that will be suggested for each match.
    • You will need to play every game until the end, regardless of result.
    • Each team will observe common etiquette towards opponents, with no trash talking etc and generally understood competition etiquette
    • You will need to be willing to have each game saved as a replay which will be kept as evidence of fair play.
    • If necessary, a non-partisan observer/referee will watch an arranged matches to ensure fair play and observance to chosen rules for the match etc.


    For those individuals who are wanting to participate but are not a member of a clan, we in the Takeda Clan are willing to assist you to set up your own clans and clan websites in order to participate.

    Suggested Rule Set

    Fielded forces to have:

    1. No quitting.
    2. No Artillery.
    3. No spamming. A limit on the number of any given Unit Type determined by funding level, ie. Small funds = 3 Unit Max, Medium funds = 4 Unit Max, Large funds = 5 Unit Max),
    4. No exploits. No more than 50% of any Unit Class,
    5. Any other limit mutually agreed upon by combatants.


    Definitions for Battle Gameplay:

    Unit Type: Unique Unit Distinction, eg. Katana Samurai

    Unit Class: Categorical Grouping by Class, eg:

    • Sword = Loan Swords, Katana Samurai, Katana Hero, No Dachi
    • Spear = Yari Ashigari, Yari Samurai, Naganata Samurai, Naganata Monks, Yari Hero
    • Cavalry = Light Cavalry, Yari Cavalry, Bow Cavalry, Katana Cavalry & Great Guard (Naginata)
    • Ranged = Bow Ashigari, Bow Samurai, Bow Monks, Ashigari Guns, Samurai Guns, Monk Guns, Bow Hero
    • Artillery = not allowed


    Suggested start date:

    May 1st


    This concept is a scalable development proposition with the initiative leading to the possible development of a formal league if there is sufficient support community wide. So, initially it will be a place where honour clans can meet to play like-minded clans under agreed rules and partake in formal diplomatic relations with each other, but could lead to greater things - leagues or tournaments.

    If a league does materialize, the rule sets would have to be the same for all matches to be fair to everyone. Similarly, tournaments would have to have the same rules for all matches, although that is not to say that you could not have different rules for different tournaments.

    Secondary concept for Match Made

    Two players playing match made could identify each other in pre MM chat, ensuring a certain level of etiquette agreed between both players. Those known clans could add a simple |HC| or |Budo| to their Steam names. Alternatively, in pre-battle chat, each opponent could identify themselves with a simple “Budo League” input, allowing both players to then progress through battle stages with a pre-defined pacing and respect.



    Please post your thoughts

    Those interested clans and individuals may contact TakedaShingen at the total war forums, or email him at
    Takeda.Shingen@takedaclan.com

    Last edited by MCM; April 22, 2011 at 07:03 AM.

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    Great idea!
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    "Ask not for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for THEE!" - (John Donne, Meditation 17)

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    Few Qs

    -Why does bringing more than 50% of a unit class considered exploit?
    -Bow cavalry categories? How could you missed it? (need to clarify whether they belong in cav class, range class or both)
    -Any chance of increase unit type cap? since its heavily restricted for any type of creative play.
    Last edited by VersionLangley; April 08, 2011 at 09:17 AM.

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    Default Re: Honour Clan League- The Way of the Warrior

    Quote Originally Posted by VersionLangley View Post
    Few Qs

    -Why does bringing more than 50% of a unit class considered exploit?
    -Bow cavalry categories? How could you missed it? (need to clarify whether they belong in cav class, range class or both)
    -Any chance of increase unit type cap? since its heavily restricted for any type of creative play.
    Indeed, you should set the cap higher to allow for more diverse strategies. In this game, even if your army is solely made out of one unit type, you can still be defeated. As a matter of fact, although I don't do it myself, I love playing against such players, since it is different and unexpected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Admiral_TvS View Post
    Indeed, you should set the cap higher to allow for more diverse strategies. In this game, even if your army is solely made out of one unit type, you can still be defeated. As a matter of fact, although I don't do it myself, I love playing against such players, since it is different and unexpected.
    Nothing better than seeing an army full of loanswords...

    My veteran katana samurai and great guards cut through them like butter! Even outnumbered 4 to 1 it's still not even close =D
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    I think it is a good idea.
    It reminds me of a different game I played, which also had severe imbalancies which needed to be adjusted by player made "house rules". That league became so popular, that the host would often only send a message of "league rules" at the set up screen and everyone would know what it meant.

    Maybe the Budo League can develop into something similar.

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    Default Re: Honour Clan League- The Way of the Warrior

    If anyone has questions or has clans wanting more details, please check the thread over at the official forums, or email
    takeda.shingen@takedaclan.com

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    I like all of this and would like to implement it to the TWC clan but the problem is that I doubt anyone would follow it to the letter especially since we dont force our members to do anything.

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    Default Re: Honour Clan League- The Way of the Warrior

    Seven clans signed up, and ronin gathering to form another clan.

    More information soon

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    Default Re: Honour Clan League- The Way of the Warrior

    League will start on the 29th of this month.

    Interested participant clans so far are:
    Shimazu
    Horo-Shu
    Sakura
    Yabgu Naz im
    GrailKnights
    Tetsu-Fu
    Cult of Nuccio
    Takeda


    We are also going to put together a "ronin" clan to allow those who want to participate to join a group of similarly minded folk.

    Our cap for this first season is 10 clans. We need to test our system and get all our support operations up to speed, and those first participants will be part of this refining process. Once we have had our first season, we can then look at expanding it.

    Its going to be a lot of fun.

    Anyone who want to have an idea of what this league will be like is welcome to drop by our Takeda clan steam room and check out how we operate.

    Any other questions, let us know.

    Cheers,

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    Default Re: Honour Clan League- The Way of the Warrior

    Just want to let everyone know that the Takeda Clan are holding an Open House this weekend (from now- Sunday night EU time) to explain to those interested the Budo League system, and you are welcome to drop by our Steam clan chat room to play some games and learn more about the rule sets, how it will work etc.

    Clans and individuals are welcome- just send me a message or any of our clan on Steam, and we will invite you.

    Cheers,

    Kansuke
    Last edited by MCM; April 22, 2011 at 09:16 PM.

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    I disagree with a number of points regarding the army compositions.

    I feel perhaps a cap on naginata monks, archers, and yari cav should be all that is needed.

    Funds, well, they should be either large or medium.

    Also one thing that hasnt been addressed yet, is it classic or not?
    My friend you would not tell with such high zest
    To children ardent for some desperate glory,
    The old lie. Dulce et decorum est
    Pro patria mori.

    -Wilfred Owen-

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    Default Re: Honour Clan League- The Way of the Warrior

    Not classic Bobba.

    YOu are welcome to add me on Steam and come and try the rule sets in our open house this weekend.
    They make sense to most people after trying them. Regarding caps on units, that is always addressed between both teams before battle.

    I hope this helps.

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yamamoto Kansuke View Post
    Not classic Bobba.

    YOu are welcome to add me on Steam and come and try the rule sets in our open house this weekend.
    hi i got ur private message... can u leave ur steam ID here so i can add u and talk.... i am not a big fan of being sending emails... or even cheking out my post.....

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    You can contact shingen here:
    http://steamcommunity.com/id/Takeda_Shingen

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    By the time this starts the new patch will already be out. . .

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    No thoughts of victory

    What?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Total Bliss View Post
    No thoughts of victory

    What?
    Its a zen thing. Fixating your mind on a supposedly predetermined result opens you up to be exploited.
    Only the action in the moment determine the course of battle.



    Sigs for all Budo League players, special thanks to Tankus Sakura for his awesome work

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    no probs for the sigs happy to help..

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