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    Default Allied Corhorts - Too easy to recruit?

    I'm going through my first campaign as 1-turn Romans and it seems that it might be too easy to recruit Allied Cohorts and Triarii from newly conquered cities, especially those outside the Italian peninsula.

    For example, I managed to conquer Pella (after winning after a hard fight against two stacks that sandwiched me) and after building the Client state (ie. 4 turns) I can recruit Polybian cohorts from there, which seems to be pretty odd considering that the manipular method of fighting and the stabbing-sword based combat (and probably the chainmail armour?) wouldn't be familiar to the macedonians. The same goes with Syracuse and Carthage.

    I can imagine though that the Italian client states would be a lot easier to bring up to speed since the Roman way of war isn't that dissimilar to the ways of other Italians since it was influenced by them in the first place (especially the Samnites) so it makes perfect sense to me that you can recruit allied legionaries from Arretium downwards to Rhegion.

    Gameplay-wise it also seems disruptive since conquered cities with 10k+ population immediately become good reinforcement points, so instead of having to ship depleted legions back to Italy they can simply be reinforced locally .. so basically you need far less legions that would otherwise be required to conquer a region. Just conquer one city, turtle for 5 turns and go on the offensive, which seem counter intuitive to what the mod sets out to do (ie. make the game harder and discourage blitzing).

    So to go back to the original question .. are allied cohorts too easy to recruit? My 2 cents would be that it might make more sense to restrict allied legionaries to the cities with the Italian regional marker, or at least have more pre-requisites to building allied cohorts so that they become rarer to spam from newly conquered cities.

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    Default Re: Allied Corhorts - Too easy to recruit?

    Ya

    I agrees that after .1a its waaaayyy to easy for the romans to get allied units right off the bat.

    Tho it gets tricky if you upgrade to citizenship too quick. And unlike other factions, you need a lot moar requirements/buildings to start recruiting generals.

    Hoapfully this will be fixd or um "tweaked" in next patch.
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    Default Re: Allied Corhorts - Too easy to recruit?

    it may be easy but, take spain for example you have to take thousands of units to concur and effectivly hold cathage, gallici and gauls at the same time, plus if you fight allied with latin then the latin will generally last longer, i find
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    Default Re: Allied Corhorts - Too easy to recruit?

    Quote Originally Posted by mudang View Post
    I'm going through my first campaign as 1-turn Romans and it seems that it might be too easy to recruit Allied Cohorts and Triarii from newly conquered cities, especially those outside the Italian peninsula.
    Quote Originally Posted by lolzillaXD!!! View Post
    Y
    I agrees that after .1a its waaaayyy to easy for the romans to get allied units right off the bat.
    Hoapfully this will be fixd or um "tweaked" in next patch.
    This will we adressed in the next update

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    Default Re: Allied Corhorts - Too easy to recruit?

    The Allied legions are good fighters, but they do tend to die off a bit quicker and take more casualties than the Polybian Cohorts from Rome or where Citizenship has been instituted.

    That the allied legions can be recruited everywhere helps to balance the stat difference between them and the citizen legions. I can't fight the Boii with Allied legions. They die off too quickly. But I can fight off most other factions in the early-mid game with them.
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    Default Re: Allied Corhorts - Too easy to recruit?

    Quote Originally Posted by chris10 View Post
    This will we adressed in the next update
    Cool! thanks for confirming that, look forward to the changes

    Quote Originally Posted by Lou337 View Post
    The Allied legions are good fighters, but they do tend to die off a bit quicker and take more casualties than the Polybian Cohorts from Rome or where Citizenship has been instituted.

    That the allied legions can be recruited everywhere helps to balance the stat difference between them and the citizen legions. I can't fight the Boii with Allied legions. They die off too quickly. But I can fight off most other factions in the early-mid game with them.
    Maybe it's because cavalry are my main killers but I've not ever had a cohort (Roman or allied) rout on me yet .. in some battles I've had cohorts whittled down to 1/3 - 1/4 strength but they've always managed to hold until the cavalry can get clean up the flanks and wheel around for a charge.

    But maybe that's because of the opposition I've fought - Celts, Carthaginians, and Macedonian/Greeks. But even then I just finished a battle where Allied cohorts were doing well against Spartan General bodyguards until I charged them in the rear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mudang View Post
    Cool! thanks for confirming that, look forward to the changes



    Maybe it's because cavalry are my main killers but I've not ever had a cohort (Roman or allied) rout on me yet .. in some battles I've had cohorts whittled down to 1/3 - 1/4 strength but they've always managed to hold until the cavalry can get clean up the flanks and wheel around for a charge.

    But maybe that's because of the opposition I've fought - Celts, Carthaginians, and Macedonian/Greeks. But even then I just finished a battle where Allied cohorts were doing well against Spartan General bodyguards until I charged them in the rear.
    it is better to have half the number of infantry, and the superiority in cavalry, than to engage your enemy with an equality in both --- from polibyus

    well the romans not disliked cavalry but it was expansive and hard to get and mantain.. i think that cavalry should be stronger,closer formation and 1-turn recruit like generals for the romans.

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    Default Re: Allied Corhorts - Too easy to recruit?

    Quote Originally Posted by betto View Post
    i think that cavalry should be stronger,closer formation and 1-turn recruit like generals for the romans.
    In this i totally agrees

    after playin RTR 1.9 ages ago (it was the very first TW mod i played!!!) And recalling how importan was cavalry and how hard it was to get it and mantain it...

    Idk but at least they should make it moar expensive. oh well i just dream
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    Default Re: Allied Corhorts - Too easy to recruit?

    Quote Originally Posted by lolzillaXD!!! View Post
    In this i totally agrees

    after playin RTR 1.9 ages ago (it was the very first TW mod i played!!!) And recalling how importan was cavalry and how hard it was to get it and mantain it...

    Idk but at least they should make it moar expensive. oh well i just dream
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    Default Re: Allied Corhorts - Too easy to recruit?

    Buts

    The difference between allied and polybian is a single point of defense and a point in morale.

    Not THAAAAT big a diference. To my view of thinkin if the allied guys are still gonna be so easy to recruit mebbe they shoulda be made weaker. I meen, theyre not romans after all.
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    Default Re: Allied Corhorts - Too easy to recruit?

    Call me biased, but I always see the allied cohorts rout way too fast for my liking.
    That's why I never use them anyway

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    Default Re: Allied Corhorts - Too easy to recruit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bull3pr00f de Bodemloze View Post
    Call me biased, but I always see the allied cohorts rout way too fast for my liking.
    That's why I never use them anyway
    Its one point, makes no difference in the grand scheme of things.

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    Default Re: Allied Corhorts - Too easy to recruit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ferdiad View Post
    Its one point, makes no difference in the grand scheme of things.
    true...only difference between allied and republican is +1 attack/defense/morale
    with only 1 exp. chevron more an allied cohort equals a republican one...so after all the difference is just
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bull3pr00f de Bodemloze View Post
    Call me biased, but I always see the allied cohorts rout way too fast for my liking.
    You Biased !

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    Default Re: Allied Corhorts - Too easy to recruit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ferdiad View Post
    Its one point, makes no difference in the grand scheme of things.
    I know, that's why I said "call my biased"

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    Default Re: Allied Corhorts - Too easy to recruit?

    returning to the topic... yes in 5 turns is possible recruit allies cohorts anywere is too easy
    for more realism/challenge slow pace
    locals after many turns
    allies cohorts only in italy...
    legions on marked cities only and maybe on capitals of factions that historicaly rome never taked to give some flavor for who likes to try total domination

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