so annoying units fight to the last.

**Michel ney.v2** · April 03, 2011, 04:08 AM

made a custom battle, fighting roman REBELS and i have their whole right flank completely surrounded and it takes 10000 hours to kill them while i need them to flank the center, and they fight to the last its so annoying, really pisses me off because i have them surrounded full encirceld and they should be chopped to peices, what gives? am i doing something wrong? needs fixing....

**Dahoota** · April 03, 2011, 06:01 AM

If they are broken but you have them surrounded they will always fight to the death. Give them an escape route and they will run so you can cut them down

Pretty sure Sun Tzu said something about it....unless you want to see exactly how hard a man can fight, never cut off his escape route. (that may actually be on one of the game's loading screens too

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**chris10** · April 03, 2011, 06:21 AM

Originally Posted by Michel ney.v2

made a custom battle, fighting roman REBELS and i have their whole right flank completely surrounded and it takes 10000 hours to kill them while i need them to flank the center, and they fight to the last its so annoying, really pisses me off because i have them surrounded full encirceld and they should be chopped to peices, what gives? am i doing something wrong? needs fixing....

Regarding the battles there is nothing to be fixed in RSII...only playing styles that need fixing

I have no problems to cause routs...its all about mechanics and the "know how" the engine works...
the RSII unit stats and balancing is probably the best ever in any TW game...battles length is very nice and a lot more realistic than in any other TWgame/mod...its just not arcade style anymore and people have to get used to the new setting...for anybody less than a veteran M is the appropiate setting..
so please OP...stop a bit the whining...things are working a bit different now and once you learned how, you will have a lot of fun with the battles...

btw...when setting battle difficulty to VH enemy light infantry will rip players heavy infantry to pieces

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so on VH they never rout doesnt matter what you do cause they get +7 morale/attack/defense bonus

Originally Posted by Dahoota

If they are broken but you have them surrounded they will always fight to the death. Give them an escape route and they will run so you can cut them down

Very True

**12345678** · April 03, 2011, 07:04 AM

Originally Posted by Dahoota

If they are broken but you have them surrounded they will always fight to the death. Give them an escape route and they will run so you can cut them down

Pretty sure Sun Tzu said something about it....unless you want to see exactly how hard a man can fight, never cut off his escape route. (that may actually be on one of the game's loading screens too

)

From The Art of War: "When you surround an army, leave an outlet free. Do not press a desperate foe too hard."

I think a similar, but more elaborate passage can also be read in von Clausewitz's On War.

**apple** · April 03, 2011, 09:26 AM

No talk about illegal activities please.

**Ferdiad** · April 03, 2011, 09:44 AM

Hammer and anvil if your new to RS II should be your bread and butter.Massed heavy cav charges can cause chain routes.

**betto** · April 03, 2011, 05:45 PM

Originally Posted by Ferdiad

Hammer and anvil if your new to RS II should be your bread and butter.Massed heavy cav charges can cause chain routes.

you mean this ? put all cavalry in the same spot then charge with all to use the huge mass

**12345678** · April 03, 2011, 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by betto

you mean this ? put all cavalry in the same spot then charge with all to use the huge mass

Hammer and anvil means a frontal infantry engagement with the enemy so that they are fixed in position, and a cavalry charge at the enemy's rear to break them.

**betto** · April 03, 2011, 06:29 PM

i know this strategy works fine on vanilla but in RS on hard it not works before kill the enemy general...

**Ferdiad** · April 03, 2011, 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by betto

i know this strategy works fine on vanilla but in RS on hard it not works before kill the enemy general...

No, H&A works fine in RS.
l2p

**mudang** · April 04, 2011, 03:10 AM

Originally Posted by betto

i know this strategy works fine on vanilla but in RS on hard it not works before kill the enemy general...

It works generally, but against high level generals (Hannibal!) it's a lot more difficult.

**TheRomanRuler** · April 03, 2011, 05:25 PM

Go back in vanilla, there battles are shorter

**Ferdiad** · April 03, 2011, 05:28 PM

Or use the shorter battles submod.

**Brusilov** · April 04, 2011, 06:00 AM

When using Hammer and anvil tactics it may take several charges of cavalry to break a unit.

Try to concentrate on a single unit. Don't leave your cavalry 'in melee' pull them back and charge again - this will make maximum use of the 'charge bonus' when hitting a unit. If you have more than one cavaly unit use them to 'cycle' the attack. Once you've pulled one unit out of the melee charge in the next unit. Keep an eye on the 'morale' of the unit being attacked - just 'mouse over' them.

Make sure that you set the charge properly. The unit my be halted and facing the direction of the unit to be charged. They also have to be a reasonable distance away.

**Fabricus** · April 04, 2011, 07:40 AM

I did just what Brusilov said yesterday outnumbered by Macedon's royal army complete with phalanxes, and totally crushed it with my Republican legion!