Oppose Islamic attempts to criminalize blasphemy

[Ummon]

http://www.islamonline.net/English/N...rticle04.shtml

By Farahat Al-Abbar, IOL Correspondent

DOHA, February, 15 2006, (IslamOnline.net) – The Norwegian parliament has amended the Penal Code to criminalize blasphemy in the wake of the republication of Danish cartoons that lampooned Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) by a Norwegian magazine, Christian and Muslim leaders in Norway said on Tuesday, February 14.

"Law 150-A, which has been approved by parliament, criminalizes blasphemy and clearly prohibits despising others or lampooning religions in any form of expression, including the use of photographs," Norway's Deputy Archbishop Oliva Howika told reporters after a meeting in Doha with Sheikh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi, the head of the International Union of Muslim Scholars.

I will be as succinct as possible: stop Islamofascism.

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[Saint-Germain]

Dear God.

I'm going to prison for saying that...

Man. I am speechless. That is not cool. Shiite.

[Perikles]

We should have come to expect this sort of thing...nobody will ever make it a law though. Will they?

[Custor]

We should have come to expect this sort of thing...nobody will ever make it a law though. Will they?

We in the UK already have an anti-blasphemy law.

[Erik]

We in the UK already have an anti-blasphemy law.

And we in the Netherlands have one for centuries!

All I can say is:YES!!!
Good job Norway

But it must be pointed out that in real life it is extremely difficult to actually find somebody guilty of blasphemy in a court of law.
A mosque in The Hague has filed a complaint against Dutch MP Geert Wilders for re-publishing the Danish cartoons.
In theory Wilders can be put on trial, but I don't think it wil ever come to this and if it does it's not very likely that he wil be found guilty.
But it's still a good law because it made the mosque express their anger in a legal and civilized way.

I do remember a successfull case against a porn site who used Hindu God figures in their advertising.
I don't think the site got fined, but they were forced to change their ads.

[Ummon]

And we in the Netherlands have one for centuries!

All I can say is:YES!!!
Good job Norway

But it must be pointed out that in real life it is extremely difficult to actually find somebody guilty of blasphemy in a court of law.
A mosque in The Hague has filed a complaint against Dutch MP Geert Wilders for re-publishing the Danish cartoons.
In theory Wilders can be put on trial, but I don't think it wil ever come to this and if it does it's not very likely that he wil be found guilty.
But it's still a good law because it made the mosque express their anger in a legal and civilized way.

I do remember a successfull case against a porn site who used Hindu God figures in their advertising.
I don't think the site got fined, but they were forced to change their ads.

Oh yes, they will stop killing, so it's a good law. :wink:

But will they?

[Erik]

Oh yes, they will stop killing, so it's a good law. :wink:

It is.

But will they?

It has kept Catholics from killing Protestants, Jews and Atheists for centuries.

In the sense: what is wrong with the Danish Newspaper apologizing? Caving in to blackmail only causes more blackmail. :wink:

It wasn't blackmail.
They never said "do this or we wil riot and kill".
They just started rioting and killing.

JP made a mistake, it's not bad to correct your mistakes.

[danzig]

All I can say is:YES!!!
Good job Norway

But it must be pointed out that in real life it is extremely difficult to actually find somebody guilty of blasphemy in a court of law.
A mosque in The Hague has filed a complaint against Dutch MP Geert Wilders for re-publishing the Danish cartoons.
In theory Wilders can be put on trial, but I don't think it wil ever come to this and if it does it's not very likely that he wil be found guilty.
But it's still a good law because it made the mosque express their anger in a legal and civilized way.

I do remember a successfull case against a porn site who used Hindu God figures in their advertising.
I don't think the site got fined, but they were forced to change their ads.

So you have no problem with people hauling innocent people off to court forcing them to deal with the hassle just because they said something?

It has kept Catholics from killing Protestants, Jews and Atheists for centuries.

Im pretty sure its not your law preventing these groups from killing each other but the fact they live in the 21st century instead of the 14th as much as Islam does. After all you do realize laws dont actually *prevent* anything but simply punish.

[MaximiIian]

We in the UK already have an anti-blasphemy law.

What else should be expect, the UK's a demi-theocracy anyway..."Defender of the faith" anyone?

[Ummon]

I come now from giving alms to Islamic poor. I have to say that I hate this thought, but I do regret it.

[AngryTitusPullo]

Whats wrong with apologising ?

[Carach]

Whats wrong with apologising ?

Yea, why dont the islamic idiots burning down embassies and throwing riots over cartoons apoligise for their imature behaviour, and be done with it.

Erik's problem is that, they come from a different culture yes, they choose to come and live here in our ones. They must accept this and not go around converting the bloody place to suit them. Live by our rules or get the hell out to be blunt.

they come from a different culture is just a silly little excusee to cover up the big screw up thats happened.

[danzig]

Frankly if laws like this are past then Europe is indeed lost. I reserve my right to say Allah, Jesus, Thor mighty god of thunder, Zeus or the Easter Bunny suck and frankly Im going to be less inclinded to show respect to those who are religious if they attempt to push laws like this thru. Laws like this will simply be abused by the fanatical elements of religions to prevent any debate on their precious imaginary deity.

[Richard]

I believe the UK, alot of the US, and quite a few countries in Europe (I think Austria was one) have laws against blasphemy about the Christian god (which are never used). I suppose they could be altered to say "and also God when he's in his Allah suit" or something but still, even if they were changed you can't expect said laws to be invoked any more often than the Christian version. Which is never (well I read there was a case of blasphemy in the UK in the 50s but you know what I mean)

[Perikles]

I believe the UK, alot of the US, and quite a few countries in Europe (I think Austria was one) have laws against blasphemy about the Christian god (which are never used). I suppose they could be altered to say "and also God when he's in his Allah suit" or something but still, even if they were changed you can't expect said laws to be invoked any more often than the Christian version. Which is never (well I read there was a case of blasphemy in the UK in the 50s but you know what I mean)

If this law is indeed still around it should not be changed - maybe even removed.
Christians may not use this law at all but I would bet everything I own on the fact that Extremist Muslims would try and get anyone who opposed their religion arrested.
Many people on this forum would be arrested for questioning religion.

Is this the sort of world we want to live in?

[danzig]

If this law is indeed still around it should not be changed - maybe even removed.
Christians may not use this law at all but I would bet everything I own on the fact that Extremist Muslims would try and get anyone who opposed their religion arrested.
Many people on this forum would be arrested for questioning religion.

Is this the sort of world we want to live in?

No but it seems to be the world our goverment wants to provide for us...now shhh be quiet someone might get offended by something.

[AngryTitusPullo]

I believe the UK, alot of the US, and quite a few countries in Europe (I think Austria was one) have laws against blasphemy about the Christian god (which are never used). I suppose they could be altered to say "and also God when he's in his Allah suit" or something but still, even if they were changed you can't expect said laws to be invoked any more often than the Christian version. Which is never (well I read there was a case of blasphemy in the UK in the 50s but you know what I mean)

Allah: Allah is the proper name in Arabic for The One and Only God,The Creator and Sustainer of the universe. It is used by the Arab Christians and Jews for the God (Eloh-im in Hebrew; 'Allaha' in Aramaic, the mothertongue of Jesus, pbuh). The word Allah does not have a plural or gender.

[Ummon]

Allah is not the God of the old Testament. Allah is said by muslims to be the God of the Old Testament.

[Custor]

The UK retained its anti-blasphemy law less than 4 months ago.

Obligatory statement used by all muppets-
'It's traditionally British and anyone who wants to change it, go back to where they came from.' tm

[Ummon]

Whats wrong with apologising ?

In the sense: what is wrong with the Danish Newspaper apologizing? Caving in to blackmail only causes more blackmail. :wink:

In the sense: what is wrong with you Ummon apologizing (by giving alms)? I give alms to Muslim poors as a spiritual exercise. Being generous to your enemies is important spiritual discipline.