Lore Related Scripts?

[Whitewalls]

Does anyone know of any submods that have AI scripts that play more lore-related then now? I like the open freedom and general random/non-linear gameplay, but I think it would be nice if the AI played a little more toward the lore. Like if there could be buildups to major battles like the Hornburg or Minas Tirith? I know Isengard attacks Rohan and Gondor gets assaulted by Mordor, but is this scripted or just because of proximity?

Just curious.

[sebsebseb1234]

Both i think

[Trailhog250]

I have NEVER seen Isengard attack Mordor or vice-versa.

It's 'lore' enough for me

Without the garrison script anyway

bastard lol

[AragornElessar]

I have NEVER seen Isengard attack Mordor or vice-versa.

It's 'lore' enough for me

Without the garrison script anyway

bastard lol

Well Isengard would surely attack Mordor if Rohan was taken trust me on that Saruman wanted the one ring for himself not for sauron

[Xx_Turk_xX]

You have to look at it like this, do you want a Total War game based off LOTR or do you want a LOTR game with Total War mechanics. Total war is about rewriting history. Those events could or could not happen depending on the way you play the game. That to me is what Sega intended when they created the series. I know that didnt really answer your question but i figured id throw it out there.

Anywho, as of now there are no Lore related script submods. Im sure if you asked around you might be able to get someone to help you with those. Also, The Divide And Conquer or DAC submod which is a WIP looks to have alot of lore related events, weather scripting goes along with those events or not; we'll have to wait and see. Hope that helped!

[Minas Moth]

considering the lore... MOS and FROME both raly heavily on the lore altough not completly... so you might try those (until DAC is finnished)

if you are really for a hard fight (that is lore accurate) then you can either play carls orcnose and AI economy submod (that is for bvanilla TATW) or you can play MOS which has all of that already incorporated and many more other cool stuff...

however, the point is: it isn't possible to be 100% lore accurate, if so then HE would have no army (in books there is no mentioning of this which doesn't mean it doesn't exist), Eriador would never become Arnor (in fact Eriador shouldn't be faction, it is a region in ME), Mordor would never conquer further then Minas Tirith etc...

so, for the sake of the gameplay and fun (there is no fun when you know how the war will end; playing 360 turnss with Mordor klnowing you are bound to loose in the end is just sad) some things have to be done around or even against the lore...

[sanderman2]

Yeah, the game would be boring if it was like Minas Moth described it.

playing 360 turnss with Mordor

Lol i really don't get it.
I play on vh/vh and i never reached max turns, usually i finished about 120-140 turns
My longest campaign was OotMM something like 160 turns

[Minas Moth]

Yeah, the game would be boring if it was like Minas Moth described it.



Lol i really don't get it.
I play on vh/vh and i never reached max turns, usually i finished about 120-140 turns
My longest campaign was OotMM something like 160 turns

but the campaign lasts for 360 turns... and the fact you only play it to 140 is your own buisness... i enjoy in playing it long... slowly crushing the opposition, making them suffer... plus i don't like starting new campaigns all the time...

[sanderman2]

plus i don't like starting new campaigns all the time...

I don't. i don't play a campaign verry fast. like in 2-3 ours 40-50 turns and then 2 days latewr i play again 40-50 turns.

Well Isengard would surely attack Mordor if Rohan was taken trust me on that Saruman wanted the one ring for himself not for sauron

Yeh maybe he will, but i think Saruman can not defeat the armies of mordor with his 10k uruk-hai

[AragornElessar]

Well if he had whole Rohan he could have more orc pits then in Isengard right?

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If the lore heretics come then this is the lore version of what i said
Well if he had whole Rohan he could have start a breed program in whole rohan right?

[sanderman2]

Well if he had whole Rohan he could have more orc pits then in Isengard right?

Hmm, yeh your probably right
But stil i think Saruman can't overpower the armies of Mordor.

[Lemoniser]

Well if he had whole Rohan he could have start a breed program in whole rohan right?

Giggity

[Lemoniser]

Considering how long it would take to breed the orcs it doesnt seem likely. Especially as Rohan would have already been eliminated and so there would only be Gondor left between the two, Saruman couldn't just say that he was still fighting Rohan because of the ringwraiths and so Isengard would even help destroy Gondor, bringing about Saruman's downfall even sooner.

If Sauron got the ring first though maybe it would be a bit different. Much as Saruman wanted the ring I can't see him trying to take it from Sauron himself.

[sanderman2]

Saruman only want's the ring but if he got it is Saruman mighty enough to pown Mordor?

[AragornElessar]

Yes that could be true maybe he maybe could use the Ring to use the minds of the old serveants of the rings. so he would have Nazguls

[Lemoniser]

But does Sauron's control over them still stem from the one ring? It has been raised on here before that maybe Sauron took their rings from them and although I don't think that was the point of the earlier conversation, its possible that Sauron controls them through his ownership of these rings. Could also explain the nazguls "immortality"

[el Cid]

Saruman could never have beaten Mordor, he still had troops in Isengard, so in total he might have had like 12,000 troops. I think Mordor contained ten times that. Saruman couldn't use the ring, only Sauron could.

And Orcs are not born from pits, they reproduce like men.

[AragornElessar]

Saruman could never have beaten Mordor, he still had troops in Isengard, so in total he might have had like 12,000 troops. I think Mordor contained ten times that. Saruman couldn't use the ring, only Sauron could.

And Orcs are not born from pits, they reproduce like men.

An uruk beats easly 3 orcs and uruks fight in formation saw the turtle thingy at helms deep? now let me see something smart that the orcs did right charging frontal on the enemy and who says they come from Mud pits? You cant be sure he couldn't use the ring i am pretty sure that the mightiest characters of ME could use that ring

[Santeri]

An uruk beats easly 3 orcs and uruks fight in formation saw the turtle thingy at helms deep? now let me see something smart that the orcs did right charging frontal on the enemy and who says they come from Mud pits? You cant be sure he couldn't use the ring i am pretty sure that the mightiest characters of ME could use that ring

You know that Mordor also had uruks, right? And that Isengard didn't only have uruks, most of its army was normal orcs and dunlending?

[sanderman2]

You know that Mordor also had uruks, right? And that Isengard didn't only have uruks, most of its army was normal orcs and dunlending?

Do you know that Uruks are different than Uruk-Hai.
Uruks are not stronger.

In the movie there were only Uruk-Hai attack Helm's Deep, but I don't know in the books.....
There were also orcs and dunlendings but they were more raiding the cities in Rohan.