Big pimpin'..Spending G's: The morality of Gangsta Rap music

[hellas1]

Hello avid EM & M fans!

I was thinking about this particular phrase and decided to expound upon it, nay...upon the entire Gangsta rap scene:

First point: Gangsta Rap.....Which demographic is this culled from? How am I to understand the term "Gangsta" in a post 9/11 America...no post 9/11 world?

Second point: Big Pimpin': Sociologically speaking, Where culturally does the pimp fit? Under which context? In today's social stratum, IS pimpin' viable?

Third point: Spending G's: From the Economic standpoint, HOW did money become such a large symbol in the Gangsta rap community?

One can research that the roots of Gangsta Rap can be traced back to the wide ranging African American cultural explosion of music in the 20th century and in particular Mississippi Delta Blues with its' expletives frequently masked by non expletive language and symbology (Ex. hot dog = penis) and old Negro spirituals.

Comments?
hellas1.5......An old school backhander

[Col. Tartleton]

Ganster Rap has become the bastardized gang influenced degeneration of Hip Hop.
"G" actually means God which means an powerful Black Man.

Hip Hop is the culture, while a rap is a quick strike, like knocks on a door. A rapper does that with his words.
Gangster Rap is a glorification of violence, immorality, and immodesty. It is counter to Hip Hop. Conscious Hip Hop seeks to poignantly bring the issues facing society to public discussion. Gangster rap isn't even subconscious, its unconscious. Its controversial in the wrong sense of the word. It creates emotional reactions instead of logical ones. Its a distraction. People aren't looking at the problem, they're enraged at Hip Hop for mentioning it. It painted the entire movement in a dark light.

Pimping actually means to decorate. Pimping is marketing. If you are a pimp you are marketing prostitutes. If you dress like a pimp you dress garishly because you're marketing yourself. If you "Pimp your ride" you are tricking it out (itself another synonym as a trick is a prostitute and turning tricks is prostitution.) Pimping is a form of slavery. Personally I don't think slavery will ever be eradicated because some people are naturally domineering and others are naturally submissive. You can't defeat slavery its natural. Alphas and Betas and all that. At least at a mental level.

Money is important to poor people because people in poverty need money to live and its a real thing. As you earn money through hustling you display intelligence and earn influence. The more money you make the more you flaunt it.

[scarybandit]

Personally I don't think slavery will ever be eradicated because some people are naturally domineering and others are naturally submissive. You can't defeat slavery its natural. Alphas and Betas and all that. At least at a mental level.

Nice post but I disagree on the part I've quoted above.

I think one is hard pressed to reduce the mass of humanity to a duality of power and powerlessness.

In my experience, only sadists and masochists subscribe to that myth, and they are psychologically the same person, hence the term "sado-masochism".

Most people compromise and specialise as we need to, and mutual trust and respect are the most important tools in efficient teams. Before you start on teams needing leaders, ask yourself whether the best leaders are necessarily the most "powerful", or whether perhaps they are merely, the best at leadership?

[hellas1]

Hi all,

AGAIN I must make a disclaimer:

This topic was merely started out as a jest to the "Gangsta Rap" music scene.

To me, as a Christian (Yep and please don't pigeon hole me. let me define myself to you) I completely disagree with the Gangsta Rap message and well as it's packaging (marketing) ploys and methods.

Thank you,
hellas1.5...........Knowing that the Jesus wasn't just some guy who walked around but that He's God.

[Gaidin]

This is like asking about the morality of porn. The issue is only relevant to the performer, the director, and the buyer.

[Heavy Weapons Guy]

Gangsta Rap by N.W.A is expressing reality of Compton's life style.
They are just expressing reality what's happening in real life and real life isn't so sweet and shinny.

I'm big Gangsta Rap fan (N.W.A mostly and their member solo projects) and I listen to it almost all day. I can't live without it.

[Claudius Gothicus]

Gasgta Rap is not immoral per se, it's a product of a sector of society. A sector that's been hit really hard along it's history by poverty and lack of education for the most part.

Now the problem lies in the self-reproduction of the process. Is gangsta rap helping to reproduce the process of poverty and lack of opportunities by discouraging individuals from taking up responsibilities and honest lives?

It's indeed a nice topic to investigate into.

[Heavy Weapons Guy]

Ice Cube:
''For all ya that don't do gangsta rap
Don't get on TV talking about gangsta rap
Cause 9 times at a 10 you don't know the you talk about
Talk about that rap you do
Stay the out of mine''

[CamilleBonparte]

Ice Cube:
''For all ya that don't do gangsta rap
Don't get on TV talking about gangsta rap
Cause 9 times at a 10 you don't know the you talk about
Talk about that rap you do
Stay the out of mine''

Lol. Rappers are funny.

[Col. Tartleton]

Ice Cube:
''For all ya that don't do gangsta rap
Don't get on TV talking about gangsta rap
Cause 9 times at a 10 you don't know the you talk about
Talk about that rap you do
Stay the out of mine''

Gangster rap is a bunch of men bragging about the stories of fictional criminals from the first person narrative as a sort of anti hero alter ego. Does nothing for me. Express yourself is a good track, but NWA is mediocre. Dre is overrated as a producer, Cube is a joke of an actor, Eazy E was gay. The only solid member is Ren.

[Heavy Weapons Guy]

Eazy-E no way was gay, he had 7 children from 6 different women. And you forgot Yella he was also part of N.W.A, the longest standing member.

That quote was said by Ice Cube, Father of Gangsta Rap.

And you should read the quote again before you talk, since you clearly don't know about Gangsta Rap.

[Tacitursa]

Rap died with Tupac and Biggie, Jay-z is the only person that does them justice

[Col. Tartleton]

Eazy-E no way was gay, he had 7 children from 6 different women. And you forgot Yella he was also part of N.W.A, the longest standing member.

That quote was said by Ice Cube, Father of Gangsta Rap.

And you should read the quote again before you talk, since you clearly don't know about Gangsta Rap.

Oh boy he had sex and children with numerous women he felt no meaningful attraction to because it was expected of him in his culture... sounds like a homosexual to me. Eazy E was gayyyyyyyyy. Ice Cube is awful. He has a song called No Vaseline inferring he's going to have anal intercourse with his former friends...

I know sooooo much its ridiculous.

Where do you hail from? I want to know what part of Compton you're from? You still reppin' the Tartars in your blue and white? Or you afraid to wear those colors because you're Piru?

This isn't Latvia, it's America.

[basics]

Usually whenever I see this rubbish on TV or hear it on Radio I flick the switch simply because I don't understand a word they are saying nor do I like the way in which they do say it. If that is African culture you can keep it where it belongs and I wager that many Americans think the same.

[Heavy Weapons Guy]

Usually whenever I see this rubbish on TV or hear it on Radio I flick the switch simply because I don't understand a word they are saying nor do I like the way in which they do say it. If that is African culture you can keep it where it belongs and I wager that many Americans think the same.

No 1 is playin real Rap music on Radio on Radio is dat trash mainstream rap.

[Yosemite]

i like how in NWA "fornicate the law enforcement officer" song they go about killing the cops with AKs and other weapons

And when I'm finished, it's gonna be a bloodbath
Of cops, dyin in LA

Takin out a police would make my day
But a like Ren don't give a to say

I'm a sniper with a hell of a scope
Takin out a cop or two, they can't cope with me

why so mad and imaginary stories

[Heavy Weapons Guy]

They grow up in streets and they have seen it all by their eyes. Cops beating their friends up for nothing etc. That's why this song was created.
Since they are ''poets'' (Ice Cube and MC Ren who are writing this album), they are referring them selves in this song as gangs killin cops. There are cops killed in Compton.
They don't bring everything on plain text as you should know.

[Denny Crane!]

I tend not to assume that music can be moral or immoral since it is expressive of things that exist but you do have to worry that it starts to begin or at least aid in the glorification of violence and misogynism. Thinking about it, as I have frequently on this subject you realise this in itself is just a reactionary trend as the music is and that these are currents in our society and expressions of poverty.

[Claudius Gothicus]

I tend not to assume that music can be moral or immoral since it is expressive of things that exist but you do have to worry that it starts to begin or at least aid in the glorification of violence and misogynism. Thinking about it, as I have frequently on this subject you realise this in itself is just a reactionary trend as the music is and that these are currents in our society and expressions of poverty.

I tend to believe the same... but what if we took the ''material cause'' out the equation, what if we could eliminate the economic/educational poverty yet the ''ideal cause'' alone kept influencing the continuation of a social trauma. Should we respond... at all?

[hellas1]

Hi all,

I made this as a "Blow some steam/Gag thread" yet it's interesting to see how people respond!

Boy oh Boy, folks.......Relaaaaax....I wasn't born yesterday and I've seen some deep **** go down.

I don't believe in "Pimpin'" or in "Spendin' G's" as is referred to in Gangsta rap.

I enjoyed that psychological experiment
hellas1.5.......Errrbody in the sub-forum get tipsy..........Errrbody in the sub-forum get tipsy