Loose Change - a 9'11 investigation that is not a Crackpot Theory?

[Ahiga]

It's a very long video, but I found it to have a lot more proof and validity behind the claims than just theoretical think-tanking or incessant blamegaming. It regards 9-11 and brings up some really shocking facts. Unless someone has facts to disprove their own, it would mean, among other things, that many (9, I believe) of the named Al'Qaeda Hijackers of 9'11 are alive and well in the Middle East, having had no relation to the events of 9-11.


I'm sure we all roll our eyes at just another look at it, but considering we live in times that remain shaped by the events, it remains something that needs to be discussed and not taken for face value. Keeping it alive in thought and discussion will keep it hopefully in a semblance of our power, instead of being relagated to an archaic rallying cry.

Even if you are a staunch supporter of the Administration, it's best to look at this so you may at least provide another point of view (And hopefully, if it's true, become a bit more than a horse with blinders on)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...q=loose+change

The ending lost my faith in it, because it returned to a bit of a crackpot theory. However, the start which led up to the first hour seemed spot on to me, with mostly basis in actual facts and information instead of personal belief or theories.


If you think it's :wub:, then provide the facts that prove their facts wrong. When it seems as though we've been given shady mumbling instead of cold hard information on the subject, I am inclined to side on those that provide fact.

[GambleFish]

It's a very long video, but I found it to have a lot more proof and validity behind the claims than just theoretical think-tanking or incessant blamegaming. It regards 9-11 and brings up some really shocking facts. Unless someone has facts to disprove their own, it would mean, among other things, that many (9, I believe) of the named Al'Qaeda Hijackers of 9'11 are alive and well in the Middle East, having had no relation to the events of 9-11.


I'm sure we all roll our eyes at just another look at it, but considering we live in times that remain shaped by the events, it remains something that needs to be discussed and not taken for face value. Keeping it alive in thought and discussion will keep it hopefully in a semblance of our power, instead of being relagated to an archaic rallying cry.

Even if you are a staunch supporter of the Administration, it's best to look at this so you may at least provide another point of view (And hopefully, if it's true, become a bit more than a horse with blinders on)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...q=loose+change

The ending lost my faith in it, because it returned to a bit of a crackpot theory. However, the start which led up to the first hour seemed spot on to me, with mostly basis in actual facts and information instead of personal belief or theories.


If you think it's :wub:, then provide the facts that prove their facts wrong. When it seems as though we've been given shady mumbling instead of cold hard information on the subject, I am inclined to side on those that provide fact.

Well, those who say we never landed on the moon have convincing "evidence."

I think this whole video is not completely the truth, but it certainly sheds some new light on the whole matter.

[Erik]

If you think it's :wub:, then provide the facts that prove their facts wrong.

No, the burdon of proof is on the ones that are making the claims.
I'm not going to beleive everything just because I can't prove it wrong.

If I told you I'm a woman, would you beleive me?
Do you have any evidence agaimst my claim?

[Ahiga]

No, the burdon of proof is on the ones that are making the claims.
I'm not going to beleive everything just because I can't prove it wrong.

If I told you I'm a woman, would you beleive me?
Do you have any evidence agaimst my claim?

Yes, and their claims have the proof to back it up. But what I am trying to say is that when those that come in begin to deny it, if there is not proof given in their arguements, it will be as though those with proof (The investigation) are knocked down by those without proof and facts (Those who are arguing against it). Basically, to prove their information and facts wrong, contradictory proof and facts need to be supplied, instead of just 'it's :wub:. It's crackpot conspiracy'.

If you say your a woman, and someone argues that your not, they cannot say 'your not a woman because I dont think your a woman' and expect it to be taken as the truth. If they say 'your not a woman because you lack the sexual organs to be one', then it would be right.

So the burden of truth is on those who make the claims, but the burden that comes with removing that proof also requires it's own proof to discredit the original statements.

[mike^_^]

there's already a thread on this

i haven't seen the video

but if it says anything about missle pods, it's disinfo. they put this out, so that the "debunkers" can easily shoot it down, thus generalising all such people as "crackpot theory"

the fact is the official government story is just plain not true. who cares about the details, no one will know, except the people who did it. we should all be in the streets demanding these people tried and executed for treason

[Ahiga]

I figured there might have been a topic already. Could a Mod perhaps merge the posts here into that one, or do as they see fit?