Shogun 2 is a 1-run game.

[Bella]

While I do think S2 is a decent game, I'm rather disappointed with the replay value in this one. Fanboys, hear me out before you start your flame campaign.

My main argument for this assertion is, there's no diversity. Aside from the couple clan bonuses, every clan is exactly the same, with the same units, the same agents, the same buildings, the same everything. Once you finish a campaign, which I just did with the Shimazu, there's really nothing left to see. Shogun 2 suffers from an extreme case of what many of you complained about with Empire. Clone armies. Shimazu's units are exactly the same as Takeda's, and everyone else's.

My point is, once you've played through a full campaign, taken Kyoto, taken your required province number, that's all you're gonna see with this game. Sure, I could delve into the mp lobby and have at a few battles with others, but I don't play Total War games for the battles. I'm of the strat map camp. Battles are secondary to me. But what I'm saying is, now that I've beaten the campaign, I doubt I'll play much more of Shogun 2 because, well, what else is there to do?

The campaign is just so linear. The only real wrench thrown in the system was the Realm Divide, which I easily dealt with in just a few turns. Now it's me with almost 2/3's of Japan, the Takeda owning the eastern 1/3rd, and one or two minor clans holding one province here and there. I did all this by 1585. I just don't see the point in firing up a new campaign because it's literally going to be exactly the same experience, just with different flags and colors. It literally is Total War: Clone Wars.

</buyer's remorse rant>

[Basileos Leandros I]

That's the whole idea with Shogun 2 TW. It's the "back to roots", it's back to the bare minimum because it allows you to focus on WAR and battles rather than just looking at how pretty your units are.

Rock paper scissors - there's not really much diversity in the game itself is it? But you always play it because every time there's something different.

[rob-a-dogg]

That's the whole idea with Shogun 2 TW. It's the "back to roots", it's back to the bare minimum because it allows you to focus on WAR and battles rather than just looking at how pretty your units are.

Peasants/Ashugaru
Samurai (as far as i can tell ronin use the same model)
Ninja
Warrior Monk (have never come across them yet is 70+ hours, I dont use them because of crappy armor)
General (one guy)
Onna Bushi (rarely seen, and only in siege)
No Daichi Samurai
Heros with golden armor (rarely seen, one guy)
Horse
Cannon
Mangonel

I am pretty sure thats all the land unit models. In. The. Entire. Game. SNORE. What the hell is this. Lazyness and no effort put into making me WANT to focus on war. I just auto resolve because battles are very very very repeditive because everything looks the same.

Rock paper scissors - there's not really much diversity in the game itself is it? But you always play it because every time there's something different.

No thats what we are trying to tell you, were not playing because every time it IS the same. 70% of the enemy units ive seen are peasant spear and bow, samurai are most often spear or bow also. Cavalry if is present it will be light, and some times if your lucky bow

[Googoo24]

Peasants/Ashugaru
Samurai (as far as i can tell ronin use the same model)
Ninja
Warrior Monk (have never come across them yet is 70+ hours, I dont use them because of crappy armor)
General (one guy)
Onna Bushi (rarely seen, and only in siege)
No Daichi Samurai
Heros with golden armor (rarely seen, one guy)
Horse
Cannon
Mangonel

I am pretty sure thats all the land unit models. In. The. Entire. Game. SNORE. What the hell is this. Lazyness and no effort put into making me WANT to focus on war. I just auto resolve because battles are very very very repeditive because everything looks the same.

And when did you discover all this? Before or after you purchased the game?

[gord96]

Peasants/Ashugaru
Samurai (as far as i can tell ronin use the same model)
Ninja
Warrior Monk (have never come across them yet is 70+ hours, I dont use them because of crappy armor)
General (one guy)
Onna Bushi (rarely seen, and only in siege)
No Daichi Samurai
Heros with golden armor (rarely seen, one guy)
Horse
Cannon
Mangonel

I am pretty sure thats all the land unit models. In. The. Entire. Game. SNORE. What the hell is this. Lazyness and no effort put into making me WANT to focus on war. I just auto resolve because battles are very very very repeditive because everything looks the same.

hehe funny how different people care about different things!

to me, that's one of the best part's of this game. simplicity of the units. even when I played Rome or MTW2, i would usually build just a few types of units anyways.

[KruniacZio]

hehe funny how different people care about different things!

to me, that's one of the best part's of this game. simplicity of the units. even when I played Rome or MTW2, i would usually build just a few types of units anyways.

I disagree about this being one of the best parts of the game, but I can vouch for the latter part...

..I built TONS of the same units in RTW. Hastati. Hastati. Hastati.

[gord96]

I disagree about this being one of the best parts of the game, but I can vouch for the latter part...

..I built TONS of the same units in RTW. Hastati. Hastati. Hastati.

hehe. point taken. maybe not one of the best parts! but a positive anyways lol

[SonOfOdin]

Peasants/Ashugaru
Samurai (as far as i can tell ronin use the same model)
Ninja
Warrior Monk (have never come across them yet is 70+ hours, I dont use them because of crappy armor)
General (one guy)
Onna Bushi (rarely seen, and only in siege)
No Daichi Samurai
Heros with golden armor (rarely seen, one guy)
Horse
Cannon
Mangonel

What do you want then? Panzer tanks, M-16 Vietnam veterans, Roman legionaries, B-2 bombers and Welsh Longbowmen in Feudal Japan?

[Darkpriest667]

No offence, but that makes you sound kinda dumb. Or ignorant. Which is ultimately one and the same thing.

Actually ignorance isnt stupidity.


[ig-ner-uhnt] lacking in knowledge or training; unlearned uninformed; unaware.

[stoo-pid]

lacking ordinary quickness and keenness of mind; dull.

in a state of stupor; stupefied:



To be honest. Your ignorance about the usage of the words and them not being synonyms in anyway is not stupidity. It's also not an insult to call someone ignorant. Its commonly mistaken to think that ignorance is an insult. It just means you aren't aware or are untrained or uneducated on a particular idea or subject. Stupidity is quite different. You can be trained all day long educated all day long and you still are stupid.

[mfdoom]

That's the whole idea with Shogun 2 TW. It's the "back to roots", it's back to the bare minimum because it allows you to focus on WAR and battles rather than just looking at how pretty your units are.

That's the biggest i've ever read!

[Shabby_Ronin]

The game feels different with Shimazu as opposed to say the Hojo. I know what you're saying though.

[Drtad]

Shimazu is probably the easiest and least immersive campaign imho. :/

[T.C.]

Wait for mods. This will most surely be one of the first things they will deal with.

[gradeAhaze]

It's simplistic diversity. But I do agree with the units being repetative. Its not make or break for me though. Im sure there will eventually be a mod out with some juicy units.

[Erwin Rommel]

Shimazu are for noobs. Go ing play Oda...on Legendary.

See how "to be exactly the same experience, just with different flags and colors."

[underworld965]

Shimazu are for noobs. Go ing play Oda...on Legendary.

I beat them on legendary. Incredibly hard. I think campaign is good except for things like vassals attack you (wtf?), but the Multiplayer is just broken. it's pathetic and crash ridden. Anyone who has actually played will know this.

[walrus2517]

I posted a review with the exact same complaints. Polished game, very enjoyable for a play through, but little replay value until the modders start releasing their work. I also played with Shimazu, which is easy because the starting location allows you to expand in one direction without having to protect your rear (and because it seems the CAI still refuses to partake in naval invasions). However, after finishing I played with Hojo, went through about 10 years, and haven't played Shogun in about 5 days since and have zero desire to start playing again. It's the exact same battle over and over and over with the same generic units. As you said, complete the campaign with one faction, and you've completed it with them all. After that, there is nothing but multiplayer which isn't my cup of tea either.

Fortunately, Darth Vader has said he will be modding so hopefully he and others will make this game enjoyable in the long run. As of right now, I'm leaning towards regretting dropping $50 on this game instead of waiting a few months for patches, mods, and probably a discount.

[Knight of Heaven]

I posted a review with the exact same complaints. Polished game, very enjoyable for a play through, but little replay value until the modders start releasing their work. I also played with Shimazu, which is easy because the starting location allows you to expand in one direction without having to protect your rear (and because it seems the CAI still refuses to partake in naval invasions). However, after finishing I played with Hojo, went through about 10 years, and haven't played Shogun in about 5 days since and have zero desire to start playing again. It's the exact same battle over and over and over with the same generic units. As you said, complete the campaign with one faction, and you've completed it with them all. After that, there is nothing but multiplayer which isn't my cup of tea either.

Fortunately, Darth Vader has said he will be modding so hopefully he and others will make this game enjoyable in the long run. As of right now, I'm leaning towards regretting dropping $50 on this game instead of waiting a few months for patches, mods, and probably a discount.

I saw some naval invasions.... and stoped one or two myself .

[Jean-Roch Coignet]

anyone who plays Shimazu is just a pussy in my opinion, no offense
Try Oda,Takeda,Tokugawa on legendary it is a challenge...

[Mr. Os]

Tokugawa imho are thr most interesting to play as in the campaign.