Should SS Incorporate Best Sub-mods Into Main Game?

[Andytheplatypus]

Just like the title says. What do you think?

[Ferdiad]

I say yes, but the problem is...which one?

[Polycarpe]

Just like the title says. What do you think?

That would be good but two things will this idea impossible:
1)KK is on TATW, it's only Gracul that really continue SS. He has some help of course but he does almost 95% of the job. Therefore, it's too much job for one person.
2)SS without submods is not SS. This is the strength and advantage of this mod

CHIP mod is an "unofficial" combination of submods for SS.

[Caesar Clivus]

Given the nature of the SS launcher, this is kind of a moot point.

[Andytheplatypus]

Given the nature of the SS launcher, this is kind of a moot point.

Yes but they could be included in 1 download so that people who are not experienced with modding can use the sub mods. Im sure there are plenty of people out there who do not try out any of the sub mods because they dont know how or dont feel comfortable installing it.

[bɑne]

Yes but they could be included in 1 download so that people who are not experienced with modding can use the sub mods. Im sure there are plenty of people out there who do not try out any of the sub mods because they dont know how or dont feel comfortable installing it.

How can that be improved on the side of the submods?
In my opinion one of the problems is that not enough submods use the new setup feature or do it badly by replacing too much of a standard install. If they would be optimised to only add and replace in proper positions things would be more manageable but it still would take a maybe too big a chunk out of the development time to keep all included and up to date.

That being said in my eyes ss already works like that. Submods get made, become successes, become stable, become part of the main branch / mod. Just think of NoWaiting, BGR, RR. Imho NHA should be next, if we want to discuss

[Andytheplatypus]

How can that be improved on the side of the submods?
In my opinion one of the problems is that not enough submods use the new setup feature or do it badly by replacing too much of a standard install. If they would be optimised to only add and replace in proper positions things would be more manageable but it still would take a maybe too big a chunk out of the development time to keep all included and up to date.

That being said in my eyes ss already works like that. Submods get made, become successes, become stable, become part of the main branch / mod. Just think of NoWaiting, BGR, RR. Imho NHA should be next, if we want to discuss

Im not saying that all submods should be included with SS, just asking for everyones opinions and giving some reasons why others might like it.

In my opinion I think it should stay the way it is. Otherwise SS will end up being 20gb or so and not everyone has a fast download or even that much room to spare on there PC.

But I do think more things from Sub mods could be incorporated into the main SS. Like getting rid of most of the crap vanilla units.

[Ferdiad]

How can that be improved on the side of the submods?
In my opinion one of the problems is that not enough submods use the new setup feature or do it badly by replacing too much of a standard install. If they would be optimised to only add and replace in proper positions things would be more manageable but it still would take a maybe too big a chunk out of the development time to keep all included and up to date.

That being said in my eyes ss already works like that. Submods get made, become successes, become stable, become part of the main branch / mod. Just think of NoWaiting, BGR, RR. Imho NHA should be next, if we want to discuss

It should be mandatory for every mod to use the Setup manger.

[TwinBird]

It should be mandatory for every mod to use the Setup manger.

100% agree.

[Andytheplatypus]

Given the nature of the SS launcher, this is kind of a moot point.

Ah yes, but as you can see by some of the uneducated rabble on here, that even if you have a choice for a sub mod, they still will not be downloaded.

....thats what makes them undesirable....the way they describe the modifications of the sub-mod is too vague....at least I know what I got in store for me with 6.4...

The main question I was asking with this poll, is whether or not sub-mods should be included in the SS setup launcher.

[MikeNice808]

The main question I was asking with this poll, is whether or not sub-mods should be included in the SS setup launcher.[/QUOTE]


Oh...my bad...then as you were sir...

[Navajo Joe]

It already does, in that gracul as included sub mods in releases of 6.2, 6.3 & 6.4, if they add value, are a benefit and don't screw up other sub mods or the main mod. Infact the set up includes a variety of campaign AI and other sub mods, so I feel this is already happening

[Point Blank]

It already does, in that gracul as included sub mods in releases of 6.2, 6.3 & 6.4, if they add value, are a benefit and don't screw up other sub mods or the main mod. Infact the set up includes a variety of campaign AI and other sub mods, so I feel this is already happening

Exactly. People should be aware that SS has been around for years, and during that time a huge number of submods have been incorporated, from way before 6.x. Its ongoing and has been for years.

[Andytheplatypus]

It already does, in that gracul as included sub mods in releases of 6.2, 6.3 & 6.4, if they add value, are a benefit and don't screw up other sub mods or the main mod. Infact the set up includes a variety of campaign AI and other sub mods, so I feel this is already happening

Somehow I missed your post. Yes I agree that it has happened to an extent, and its definetly not a bad thing, but should sub mods like the upcoming CHIP be included in another SS release? For instance, the upgraded unit roster so that vanilla skins are not used would be nice to have.

There are plenty of other submods also that only improve upon SS without adding a whole bunch of new info.

For instance Germanicu5 new Battle AI is amazing and Soulsons campaign AI would only help SS if added to it, in my opinion.

[Caesar Clivus]

For instance Germanicu5 new Battle AI is amazing and Soulsons campaign AI would only help SS if added to it, in my opinion.

The key phrase there is in your opinion. In your opinion, a submod might add to SS, but other people might have a different opinion. Should your preferences be forced on all other users? That is the beauty of the SS launcher. Users can pick and choose what they want to use and what to ignore.

[Ferdiad]

The key phrase there is in your opinion. In your opinion, a submod might add to SS, but other people might have a different opinion. Should your preferences be forced on all other users? That is the beauty of the SS launcher. Users can pick and choose what they want to use and what to ignore.

We already use Germanicu5 AI, so why not use the newer and better one?

[Andytheplatypus]

We already use Germanicu5 AI, so why not use the newer and better one?

Because its not part of the protocol. Dont be so forceful.

[Townsaver]

I say yes, yes, a thousand times yes, esp if, like with this neat setup that was there for 6.4, i can check which ones i want!

[MikeNice808]

No way...let people decide what other additional features they want to add to their game!

[Jean=A=Luc]

I'm sorry PB, we prefer idle discussion.