Russia turning against the US?

[PROFESSORPAUL]

I just watched another news report, and "They deserve a very brief response, to Hell with you" was Russia and Putan's response to US policy. They're even supporting Hamas, the terrorist organization, saying they dont believe they are terrorists. They've also been supplying China with weapons and tanks for a while now, helping build their military.

I believe there was also story where China and Russia did a few "combat training" tests together, that made the US concerned a while ago.

Whatever happened to the times when the US was actually liked by most countries? Now everyone just hates us.

[ShangTang]

Dude, name one time Russia EVER liked us.

[Siblesz]

Dude, name one time Russia EVER liked us.

Name one time you EVER liked Russia.

[RZZZA]

Well...Russia was never one of the countries that liked us. Even during WWII when we were technically on the same side....

The U.S. has to be wary of any and all countries that we've once beaten on the field. That included Russia(well, we beat em, but not on the field)...and yep...Japan too...I always believed that people dont forgive or forget so easily. Sure, as long as the U.S. remains powerful our defeated enemies-now-made-friends will be subservient, polite and friendly...but once we show any amount of weakness suddenly everyone will remember all the bad things the U.S. has done and it'll be retribution time.

Imo, Russia is wasting its time and making the same damn mistake they made in the cold war...theyre focusing too much on the global stage on too much on their military, they have no money for that crap. Russians need to stop reminscing of the good ol' days when they had the whole eastern side of the world on edge, and start focusing on things within their own border...trade, infastructure, agencies and federal programs. But noooo....seems like they want to build up their military again to try and compete

[the_mango55]

The U.S. has to be wary of any and all countries that we've once beaten on the field.

I don't think that is true at all. Mexico and Germany may not love us all the time, but we don't need to be wary of them. Also, the UK is certainly our strongest ally, and we defeated them twice.

I don't think Russia is going to turn against us. They simply like to pose and pretend they are the world power they once were. And I don't blame them for selling weapons to China either, they may not have much in the way of economic power, but their military industrial complex is probably the second largest in the world. Weapons are one of Russia's only viable exports.

[removeduser_426582376423734]

Anyone ever heard of oil?

[Carach]

I don't think that is true at all. Mexico and Germany may not love us all the time, but we don't need to be wary of them. Also, the UK is certainly our strongest ally, and we defeated them twice.

once, and under exeptional circumstances..if it was a straight fight u would of been crushed..both times.

[the_mango55]

once, and under exeptional circumstances..if it was a straight fight u would of been crushed..both times.

Haha, defeat is defeat. You don't see me here making excuses about Vietnam. Sure, straight up we would have rolled over them, but we were unwilling to fight. Plus I was only using that as an example anyway. No need to get all worked up

[Carach]

Haha, defeat is defeat. You don't see me here making excuses about Vietnam. Sure, straight up we would have rolled over them, but we were unwilling to fight. Plus I was only using that as an example anyway. No need to get all worked up

u didnt even win the second time round dude..just correcting you on historical facts.

[Perikles]

Whatever happened to the times when the US was actually liked by most countries? Now everyone just hates us.

Iraq seems to be what happened, many countries disagreed with this war for many different reasons(or just to oppose the US). Since Putin came to power Russia has being steadily moving back to the 'old days' anyway.

[M.R.Maiornikov]

I just watched another news report, and "They deserve a very brief response, to Hell with you" was Russia and Putan's response to US policy. They're even supporting Hamas, the terrorist organization, saying they dont believe they are terrorists. They've also been supplying China with weapons and tanks for a while now, helping build their military.

I believe there was also story where China and Russia did a few "combat training" tests together, that made the US concerned a while ago.

Whatever happened to the times when the US was actually liked by most countries? Now everyone just hates us.

Ok as russian i would like to answer few of your arguments.
First of all, our president's name in Putin not Putan. Second russian military industry heavily relies on military equipment exports, and as china, india,etc... are great buyers, then yes we are selling weapong and equipment to them. Third the joint military training. If you look at those training Russia did same trainings with alot of countries, even with US.Forth "Hamas" was chosen as government in palestine, and we have to support the people's will. We will certainly not cut our foreign relations with such coutries because they hate US. This is really not wise for our country to do that, because US got themselves a picture of crusaders knights in crusade against muslim countries around the world.

But i would like to point out that US is practically doing the same weapon exports as Russia, so i don't see why Russia can't capitalize on the weapons market, same as US.

[Ahlerich]

well ya putin is a hardliner and prolly not the best man for new russia. but russia is a very corrupt country since the end of communism so they need an harder president then most other european countries.
the organized crim is russias biggest problem i think. lots of money they are losing that way and i guess some freedom too. i dont know it i never vosited the country and spoke to russians but i assume it. 'to hell with them' is a terribel word pick for a politician. i hate the american politics myself but you cannot pick words like that. especially as an educated politician. u can talk with those words with ur friends or in the pub but not on the public politic stage. i wont comment the terrorism statement coz i dont know anything about that, never heard or read it.
i think there should be made more pressure on russia because of the war they are fighting in tschetchenien. (donno how to spell that in english but u know what i mean.

the weapon trade... i cant see anything wrong about it. i mean wepon trade itself is often not good. weapons are made for killing and thats what they will do eventually. but i dont see a difference between germany trading weapons to turkey the americans trade weapons to half of the world and russia trading weapons to china and prolly a huge part of the rest of the world.

and russia and china making war training together? c'mon germany is making wartraining with france sometimes the us and other eu countries all the time. most countries make trainings like that with their neighbours unless they have a bad reletionship to their neighbours.

and that germanys ppl have a bad attitude towards americans has nothing to with that u guys defeated us in the war. i think nobody can think that seriously.. also i wanna say that the german ppl dont hate america and americas ppl. many germans hate bushes politics and simply cannot understand why he has been elected again and why so many ppl (more then 50%) in america still support him. why do so many ppl know and hate the lies and halflies and propaganda of bush outside of america and why do so many ppl inside of america not care or dont see the lies. this is strange and not to understand by many ppl around the world. and u cant be seriously thinking that those ppl are just jealous of americas power or talk agains america now only because they never liked them. that is not the case.
you know what prolly would be going on if a small country would have broken un law? a small african country or the irak?

[M.R.Maiornikov]

well ya putin is a hardliner and prolly not the best man for new russia. but russia is a very corrupt country since the end of communism so they need an harder president then most other european countries.
the organized crim is russias biggest problem i think. lots of money they are losing that way and i guess some freedom too. i dont know it i never vosited the country and spoke to russians but i assume it. 'to hell with them' is a terribel word pick for a politician. i hate the american politics myself but you cannot pick words like that. especially as an educated politician. u can talk with those words with ur friends or in the pub but not on the public politic stage. i wont comment the terrorism statement coz i dont know anything about that, never heard or read it.
i think there should be made more pressure on russia because of the war they are fighting in tschetchenien. (donno how to spell that in english but u know what i mean.

the weapon trade... i cant see anything wrong about it. i mean wepon trade itself is often not good. weapons are made for killing and thats what they will do eventually. but i dont see a difference between germany trading weapons to turkey the americans trade weapons to half of the world and russia trading weapons to china and prolly a huge part of the rest of the world.

and russia and china making war training together? c'mon germany is making wartraining with france sometimes the us and other eu countries all the time. most countries make trainings like that with their neighbours unless they have a bad reletionship to their neighbours.

and that germanys ppl have a bad attitude towards americans has nothing to with that u guys defeated us in the war. i think nobody can think that seriously.. also i wanna say that the german ppl dont hate america and americas ppl. many germans hate bushes politics and simply cannot understand why he has been elected again and why so many ppl (more then 50%) in america still support him. why do so many ppl know and hate the lies and halflies and propaganda of bush outside of america and why do so many ppl inside of america not care or dont see the lies. this is strange and not to understand by many ppl around the world. and u cant be seriously thinking that those ppl are just jealous of americas power or talk agains america now only because they never liked them. that is not the case.
you know what prolly would be going on if a small country would have broken un law? a small african country or the irak?

If only someone post the script of Putin response.Manly the "the hell with them". Im 99.99% sure Putin would never said that.
It's probably a phrase made by Professorpaul, as Putin is very politically wise and educated man and will never lower himself to that kind of comments.After all The Presidents words represent the voice of the country.

[RZZZA]

"Forth "Hamas" was chosen as government in palestine, and we have to support the people's will. We will certainly not cut our foreign relations with such coutries because they hate US. "


Well, Russians and the Palestinian have a similar outlook on Jews, no? I'd say the fact that some world powers take the side of Israel and others take the side of Palestine (or 'Israels' enemies'), it could be percieved as the people who are 'with us' and the people who are 'against us'.(us being the U.S.) Despite Hamas being democratically elected, the U.S. has no intention of accepting them (probably not even acknowledging them) as a legitimate government. Anyone who does, or even worse, anyone who provides aid to Palestine or to the enemies of Israel is commiting a transgression in my eyes...I realize people gotta eat, but when youre selling supplies, weapons, military training etc. to known enemies of the U.S. you gotta understand that it doesnt look so good from our end. And the U.S. is in a perpetual state of paranioa so...

[M.R.Maiornikov]

"Forth "Hamas" was chosen as government in palestine, and we have to support the people's will. We will certainly not cut our foreign relations with such coutries because they hate US. "


Well, Russians and the Palestinian have a similar outlook on Jews, no? I'd say the fact that some world powers take the side of Israel and others take the side of Palestine (or 'Israels' enemies') could be percieved as the people who are with us and the people who are against us.(us being the U.S.) Despite Hamas being democratically elected, the U.S. has no intention of accepting them (probably not even acknowledging them) as a legitimate government. Anyone who does, or even worse, anyone who provides aid to Palestine or to the enemies of Israel is commiting a transgression in my eyes...I realize people gotta eat, but when youre selling supplies, weapons, military training etc. to know enemies of the U.S. you gotta understand that it doesnt look so good from our end. And the U.S. is in a perpetual state of paranioa so...

So as you see if we take your statement, then as US supplies weapons,equipment,etc... to Israel. I don't see why Russia can't do the same to Palestine. And asking to support US and hate "Hamas" because they are at war with the US, is purely illogical for a russian governemt to do.
You have to also keep in mind that Russia have different views and political allies as US. And really don't share the same vision of the world as US does.(and in some cases vively oppose those views)

[RZZZA]

So as you see if we take your statement, then as US supplies weapons,equipment,etc... to Israel. I don't see why Russia can't do the same to Palestine. And asking to support US and hate "Hamas" because they are at war with the US, is purely illogical for a russian governemt to do.

Russians are free to do as they will, sure you guys CAN provide aid to our enemies and to the enemies of our allies...but then you have to expect us to be P'd off about it and, it could possibly lead to further hostility between us. People can do whatever they feel like as long as they accept the consequences of their actions. I dont know what the consequences of this could be, but I'm sure it wont be pretty. I realize that Russians have to look out for their best interests, but what happens when interests collide? War can happen...

[Farnan]

So as you see if we take your statement, then as US supplies weapons,equipment,etc... to Israel. I don't see why Russia can't do the same to Palestine. And asking to support US and hate "Hamas" because they are at war with the US, is purely illogical for a russian governemt to do.

Hamas corrupts the youth of Palestine into committing suicide bombings in Israel killing hundreds of innocent Israeli youth. Hamas takes advantage of poor living conditions in Palestinian refugee camps, imposed on them by their Arab "allies", to gain their power. The leaders of Hamas probably couldn't give a **** about the Palestinians, except when it can give them the power they need. Peace was so close, but sadly Sharon had a stroke and the Palestinians elected Hamas.

[Ahlerich]

rubin once promised palastine their own land. the palestinians want to end that situations their as well as the jews. they even stopped the intifade for a while when the jews pulled out of gaza strip and back in the days when rubin promised them their land.
the hamas or palestinian terrorism cannot be compared with the 'bin laden' terrorism.
they have their hands full fighting israel not america and the reason they do it with suiced attacks/terrorism is because they dont have an army and gurellia warfare is the only resistance they can make.

the palaestinians need their own country finally so that this endless war and suffering of israelis and palestines finally will end.

if this new country palestine than continues terrorism on israel or whoever feel free to invade it and drop boms on moches, marketplaces and kindergardens to liberate them

[Carach]

the palaestinians need their own country finally so that this endless war and suffering of israelis and palestines finally will end.

if this new country palestine than continues terrorism on israel or whoever feel free to invade it and drop boms on moches, marketplaces and kindergardens to liberate them

the day israel pulled out of 'palestinian lands' hamas were boradcasting to the palistinian people that they had defeated israel through strength of arms and warfare, they also said they would continue to fight israel until they were completely crushed.


lesson is..dont negotiate with terrorists.

[Carach]

I just watched another news report, and "They deserve a very brief response, to Hell with you" was Russia and Putan's response to US policy. They're even supporting Hamas, the terrorist organization, saying they dont believe they are terrorists. They've also been supplying China with weapons and tanks for a while now, helping build their military.

I believe there was also story where China and Russia did a few "combat training" tests together, that made the US concerned a while ago.

Whatever happened to the times when the US was actually liked by most countries? Now everyone just hates us.

China arent really 'enemies' yet...they are potential enemies and a rival as it is now, and a lot of russia's income is arms sales to other nations, so i dont think they would reject selling weapons to china just because america said so..

china and russia have indeed carried out some combat exercises together, but again - innocent...NATO do it all the time, other regions have their own little operations...

China do though, specify America as its enemy in its defence review..they are spreading their influence further abroad aswell, offering a kind of alternative to america i guess.

Russia have been playing a dodgey game recently though, selling weapons to people who are known concerns (aka potential enemies) to the un/nato/the international community.

I dont dislike america, i just dislike some americans that i have spoken to over the net that are incredibly arrogent..other than that i have no beef.

i do however dislike islamic terrorists and fanatics..well, terrorists in general but islam seems to have the most atm..and defeinately the most publicity about it.