Are you connecting with Shogun 2?

[waidizss]

I am playing my major campaign i am so gamey. I have like 300k and 17k turn income(i disbanded all my troops). The whole history seems so irrelevant and boring for that matter. I remember marching through France, Germany, Lithuania, Russia and fighting epic battles with epic troops(peasants) and feeling so connected to the game. It felt like i was in love.. And now all i see is an old hag, which whenever i ambitiously try to become shogun, casts a spell on me. Oh Rome! Oh Europa! Come back to me!

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and yes i do want Rome 2:TOTAL WAR

[Cinnead]

A change of battlefields is nice for a change in my opinion

[SonOfCrusader76]

I agree - and I feel quite connected to the game.

[kentuckybandit]

QQ Moar. Seriously, was this necessary?

[rekishiotaku]

Waaaa, I only know Western history because I live in a Eurocentric world, what is this place? How come everyone speaks a funny language?

Want to see the European map? Hm.....play MTW, RTW, MTW2, ETW, NTW, or 90% of the other historical strategy games. If you want to feel a "connection" study history outside of the Western scope, its pretty interesting. Or go back to your narrow world and wait for the next European map, just stop making this annoying threads about your own ignorance/discontempt of Asian history.

[Darkpriest667]

Waaaa, I only know Western history because I live in a Eurocentric world, what is this place? How come everyone speaks a funny language?

Want to see the European map? Hm.....play MTW, RTW, MTW2, ETW, NTW, or 90% of the other historical strategy games. If you want to feel a "connection" study history outside of the Western scope, its pretty interesting. Or go back to your narrow world and wait for the next European map, just stop making this annoying threads about your own ignorance/discontempt of Asian history.

So India is part of the western world now? as is the middle east? Hrmmm I never knew.. I'll have to let Dr. Powell know that. (History professor at KU UNK and Wayland Baptist)


Also... English with a bad japanese accent is still english last I checked.

[rekishiotaku]

So India is part of the western world now? as is the middle east? Hrmmm I never knew.. I'll have to let Dr. Powell know that. (History professor at KU UNK and Wayland Baptist)


Also... English with a bad japanese accent is still english last I checked.

Awesome argument, except:
OP said "The whole history seems so irrelevant and boring for that matter. I remember marching through France, Germany, Lithuania, Russia...Oh Rome! Oh Europa! Come back to me!" ETW was the only that had India, and it was mostly there for the context of European colonization. And yeah I would consider the Middle East to be a part of the Western world, for much of its history it had been a part of the Western tradition. The divide now is mostly based on religion, ie North Africa is considered the "Middle East" because they are Muslim, despite their long history of being a part of Rome/Greece. Not to mention the term "West/Western" is open to interpenetration for Asians it is Western.

The game has speeches in Japanese.

Now talk to your professor and ask him how to debate. Because right now you barely make sense.

[Darkpriest667]

Awesome argument, except:
OP said "The whole history seems so irrelevant and boring for that matter. I remember marching through France, Germany, Lithuania, Russia...Oh Rome! Oh Europa! Come back to me!" ETW was the only that had India, and it was mostly there for the context of European colonization. And yeah I would consider the Middle East to be a part of the Western world, for much of its history it had been a part of the Western tradition. The divide now is mostly based on religion, ie North Africa is considered the "Middle East" because they are Muslim, despite their long history of being a part of Rome/Greece. Not to mention the term "West/Western" is open to interpenetration for Asians it is Western.

The game has speeches in Japanese.

Now talk to your professor and ask him how to debate. Because right now you barely make sense.

I was going to respond with a lengthy and witty reply but your response really doesn't warrant one.

[rekishiotaku]

I was going to respond with a lengthy and witty reply but your response really doesn't warrant one.

Again, you got me, man you are so smart and cool.
Next time, read the Opening post, then the post you wish to comment on, if you are confused on the subject matter, you can use websites like wikipedia to do some quick researching. Or as you suggested go talk to the local history professor at your university.

But yeah my post was totally invalid I made no points worth commenting on. Keep up the good work

Greece: Total War?

Now there's a recipe for the most boring Total War game ever. No attacks during winter, phalanxes grinding during summer, rinse and repeat!

But its European!!!111
I know those generals, wowowow and I learned about them in Jr. High School!!

[vyyye]

Waaaa, I only know Western history because I live in a Eurocentric world, what is this place? How come everyone speaks a funny language?

Want to see the European map? Hm.....play MTW, RTW, MTW2, ETW, NTW, or 90% of the other historical strategy games. If you want to feel a "connection" study history outside of the Western scope, its pretty interesting. Or go back to your narrow world and wait for the next European map, just stop making this annoying threads about your own ignorance/discontempt of Asian history.

Maybe it has something to do with the feeling of an actual world. In Rome you started off (for example) killing Greeks followed by Macedonians, venturing further in land to face off against barbaric Thracians along with Scythians and finally some Asian nations if you keep heading East. Else you could fight the Carthaginians, who were unique in their own rights. Phalanx, heavy cavalry centric, cav archers, Romans, bloody chariots and elephants as well.

In Shogun 2 you get to face Yari Ashigaru with different stats and colors. I realize that it's historically accurate to an extent but man, I'm not feeling attached to the world at all compared to how I did in Rome and Medieval. Doesn't feel much different starting as something on the west compared to something on the East (other than West being easier).

Eh, I should love the game but I don't. Going to start reading the first book I've ever read about Japanese history, well, a fiction set in the era so I can get a feel for it. Got "Shogun" on the way, hopefully it'll make me think this entire post was stupid and I'll play this game for another few years. We'll see.

[Nordmann]

I get the feeling that the OP is not interested in Sengoku Japan. Here's a tip, if you don't like the period in which the game is set, don't buy/play it, and instead stick with what you do like.

This is nothing to do with the game, it is your interest (or lack of) in the setting.

[rekishiotaku]

Maybe it has something to do with the feeling of an actual world. In Rome you started off (for example) killing Greeks followed by Macedonians, venturing further in land to face off against barbaric Thracians along with Scythians and finally some Asian nations if you keep heading East. Else you could fight the Carthaginians, who were unique in their own rights. Phalanx, heavy cavalry centric, cav archers, Romans, bloody chariots and elephants as well.

In Shogun 2 you get to face Yari Ashigaru with different stats and colors. I realize that it's historically accurate to an extent but man, I'm not feeling attached to the world at all compared to how I did in Rome and Medieval. Doesn't feel much different starting as something on the west compared to something on the East (other than West being easier).

I can understand that more, there isn't much uniqueness, I think CA could have at least skinned different clans differently in terms of armor. Also hopefully we will get some expansions, the Ainu in Yezo/Hokkaido, the Ryukyu Kingdom in Okinawa, Kingdom of Joseon in Korea, and maaaybe the Ming in China. All of these would have different clothing, armor, etc. But there will probably be a lot of Eurocentrists still complaining as to why they are all Asian, and jacking it to fantasies of playing as the Spanish or Portuguese invading the islands.

I also think there would be way less threads if it was Greece Total War, and they just had all the Greek Civs with the same clothing, weaponry etc. not saying they historically did, my argument is they would like it simply because its European and that's all they were taught.

OP's main point was he was unfamiliar and uninterested in the historical setting and wanted another European game. And is waiting for RTW 2. Which I hope they don't do, RTW is fine its still playable and really modable, I hope they do something different, hopefully non-European so we can get more of these threads

I get the feeling that the OP is not interested in Sengoku Japan. Here's a tip, if you don't like the period in which the game is set, don't buy/play it, and instead stick with what you do like.

This is nothing to do with the game, it is your interest (or lack of) in the setting.

OP clearly said he didn't like the game because he didn't like the subject matter.

I totally agree, I hate fantasy, so I don't buy games like World of War Craft, nor do I complain about it in forums for fantasy games.

[Jack-El]

Maybe it has something to do with the feeling of an actual world. In Rome you started off (for example) killing Greeks followed by Macedonians, venturing further in land to face off against barbaric Thracians along with Scythians and finally some Asian nations if you keep heading East. Else you could fight the Carthaginians, who were unique in their own rights. Phalanx, heavy cavalry centric, cav archers, Romans, bloody chariots and elephants as well.

In Shogun 2 you get to face Yari Ashigaru with different stats and colors. I realize that it's historically accurate to an extent but man, I'm not feeling attached to the world at all compared to how I did in Rome and Medieval. Doesn't feel much different starting as something on the west compared to something on the East (other than West being easier).

Eh, I should love the game but I don't. Going to start reading the first book I've ever read about Japanese history, well, a fiction set in the era so I can get a feel for it. Got "Shogun" on the way, hopefully it'll make me think this entire post was stupid and I'll play this game for another few years. We'll see.

I've found myself to have the same issue. Rome and to a lesser extent Medieval 2 had a lot more going for them with faction diversity. Medieval also had additional gameplay elements involving the papacy and religious wars whereas Shogun has, well, realm divide, a Shogun seat that adds bonuses, and random pop-ups that add... bonuses. While there are also supposed to be natural disasters those aren't gameplay elements that I can actually do anything with. They're more of neat things that happen once in a while.

It's still a pretty good game but I find it suffers a bit due to the limited setting. Empire: Total War was similarly disappointing in many respects, though even that had more variety and gameplay elements (revolutions, colonization) than Shogun, even if it wasn't as strong a product due to other issues.

[vyyye]

Greece: Total War?

Now there's a recipe for the most boring Total War game ever. No attacks during winter, phalanxes grinding during summer, rinse and repeat!

[Dileos]

At least its about Samurai.

In all other regards I'm in the same boat as the OP. I don't know where anything is, who any of these people are or why I should care who they are, why my advisors keep yelling at me in Engrish while my general yells at his troops in Japanese, or why every single faction has the exact same troops. I would have prefered Rome 2, but watching Samurai kill each other, or watching nanban ships blow floating Japanese box-boats to smithereens is entertaining, so I'm enjoying it regardless.

[tarvu]

I am playing my major campaign i am so gamey. I have like 300k and 17k turn income(i disbanded all my troops). The whole history seems so irrelevant and boring for that matter. I remember marching through France, Germany, Lithuania, Russia and fighting epic battles with epic troops(peasants) and feeling so connected to the game. It felt like i was in love.. And now all i see is an old hag, which whenever i ambitiously try to become shogun, casts a spell on me. Oh Rome! Oh Europa! Come back to me!

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

and yes i do want Rome 2:TOTAL WAR

Lol Lithuania... /snore

[Arksa]

Lol Lithuania... /snore

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[Basileos Leandros I]

Yeah, I'm connecting. Perhaps you should research some more about Sengoku Jidai, that way you'll appreciate it more.

[Boustrophedon]

I agree that the game is really lacking in uniqueness. They could've done so much more with the time frame and the game mechanics. I would have loved an option for a general to commit seppuke after losing a battle and then you see a cutscene. I hate the fact that all ashigaru units all over japan over a period of 60+ years all look the same Still I'm enjoying myself pretty good so far...

[♘Top Hat Zebra]

i agree with jack-el. But its also the scale (to me) that makes me like empire better. I just dont feel like an omnipotent conquerer when im conquering one island....same reason i didnt like the expansions for medieval 2.