Heretics Too Hard?

[Xx_Turk_xX]

Anybody else runnign Stainless Steel 6.4 and have a ton of full piety Heretics running rampant in their lands? Im playing Scotland on hard. Im on the turn right after Disaster Strikes Allepo. Ive wiped out England. But im being overrun by heretics! Not to mention the black plauge is killing all my generals. Anybody else having this problem and/or have a possible fix?

[Ferdiad]

Use cardinals and assasians to kill them.

[StupidAlarmClockGuy]

It's because their traits give them too many piety boosts and that the triggers for their traits have ridiculous probabilities (like a 40 percent chance of a heretic starting with at least 5 piety, and a 20 percent chance of them being a "prophet"). Any priests who fall to heresy keep most of their original traits in addition to these, making them heretics with +7 piety most of the time.

I had to mod that out, myself, by going into <export_descr_character_traits>.

And it wasn't a matter of "I hate seeing my guys go heretic" or difficulties in my own territories. In an Early Era game as Egypt, heretics ended up destroying Khwarezm, HRE and the Crusader States because nobody could denounce them without also falling to heresy. And even after my fix, I still have yet to see a heretic who starts with anything less than 4 piety.

[Xx_Turk_xX]

Use cardinals and assasians to kill them.

My cardinal is a measly 5 peity. Most heretics are 5+ also its too early to create assasins for scotland.

It's because their traits give them too many piety boosts and that the triggers for their traits have ridiculous probabilities (like a 40 percent chance of a heretic starting with at least 5 piety, and a 20 percent chance of them being a "prophet"). Any priests who fall to heresy keep most of their original traits in addition to these, making them heretics with +7 piety most of the time.

I had to mod that out, myself, by going into <export_descr_character_traits>.

And it wasn't a matter of "I hate seeing my guys go heretic" or difficulties in my own territories. In an Early Era game as Egypt, heretics ended up destroying Khwarezm, HRE and the Crusader States because nobody could denounce them without also falling to heresy. And even after my fix, I still have yet to see a heretic who starts with anything less than 4 piety.

Is there anyways you can provide me a guide to mod that out myself? Id ne much appreciative. Im not TW modder my expertise is for Bethesda Games, Oblivion/fallout

[StupidAlarmClockGuy]

My cardinal is a measly 5 peity. Most heretics are 5+ also its too early to create assasins for scotland.





Is there anyways you can provide me a guide to mod that out myself? Id ne much appreciative. Im not TW modder my expertise is for Bethesda Games, Oblivion/fallout

Go to the Medieval 2 Total War file folder. Go to tools and select "Unpack all" from the Unpacker folder if you haven't already done this (if you have, skip this step).

Go to mods, go to SS6.3, go to data, and then go to the file called "export_descr_character_traits" which should be listed below the various data folders.

Do ctrl+f and type in "naturalhereticskill" and search that. it should take you right to the trait. You can modify the piety bonus that each level of it gives. The next trait is "hereticpersuasion" which is right below. You can change that too.

Do ctrl+f again and type in "heretic traits" and it should take you to their triggers. Scroll down a bit and you should see something like this (I changed the trigger probabilities, so mine won't be the same as the one you have):

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;------------------------------------------
Trigger hereticinit1a
WhenToTest PriestBecomesHeretic
Condition Trait NaturalHereticSkill = 0
Affects NaturalHereticSkill 1 Chance 100
Affects NaturalHereticSkill 1 Chance 70
Affects NaturalHereticSkill 1 Chance 50
Affects HereticPersuasion 1 Chance 35
Affects HereticPersuasion 1 Chance 30
Affects HereticPersuasion 1 Chance 20
;------------------------------------------
Trigger hereticinit7
WhenToTest AgentCreated
Condition AgentType = heretic
Affects NaturalHereticSkill 1 Chance 100
Affects NaturalHereticSkill 1 Chance 70
Affects NaturalHereticSkill 1 Chance 50
Affects HereticPersuasion 1 Chance 35
Affects HereticPersuasion 1 Chance 30
Affects HereticPersuasion 1 Chance 20

You can change it to that, or whatever you so choose: the probability of 100 is for the first level of a trait, the next probability number is for the second level of a trait, etc. Change both, and the chance of priest-to-heretic traits and randomly-spawned heretic traits will go down.

And that should be it. Boom, heretics nerfed, and however according to your preference as you wish.

It's semi-save game compatible. That is, once you re-load the game, new heretics will be subject to your trait effect and probability changes. Ones that are already on the stratmap will remain the same. Those guys you'll have to get rid of the old-fashioned way, or use the military execution trick (but the AI isn't smart enough to do that, and IMHO it makes it harder for heretics to conquer everything the AI has if you change trait values).

[vtec.dominion]

Next time send your generals and FM on the ships once you get the black death announcement

[Hejdun]

Cardinals can't be converted to heretics on a failed attempt, so just keep spamming Cardinals and you'll eventually take them all out. I think the lowest chance you have is 20%, so it's definitely do-able with concerted effort.

[Nemesis_GR]

Heretics should be nerfed a bit imo.Full piety is too much and unrealistic.

[Liandro]

I teleport them directly to Rome to let the Pope deal with them personally. Either that or I crush them from existence, at first it was funny, then after the 6th Prophet appeared outside a 100% religion area, I had enough, in two turns he dragged it to 64%, by that point I considered it silly that as if I wouldn't send troops to simply kill him.

[Lugiahua]

use "military execution" against them....

surround them with 8 units (each grid around him)
then send 9th unit to him, he will be trampled under foot of your Holy Soldiers

[Forever Steadfast]

Assassins. Just keep throwing assassins at them. Even if most of them fail in their missions, you'll eventually kill the Heretic by playing the odds. Its better than having your clergymen lose their own faith by failed denouncements.

[Ferdiad]

Assassins. Just keep throwing assassins at them. Even if most of them fail in their missions, you'll eventually kill the Heretic by playing the odds. Its better than having your clergymen lose their own faith by failed denouncements.

And if you zerg with priests instead you'll make a heretic swarm, otherwise known as heriticus swarmicus.

[StupidAlarmClockGuy]

Assassins. Just keep throwing assassins at them. Even if most of them fail in their missions, you'll eventually kill the Heretic by playing the odds. Its better than having your clergymen lose their own faith by failed denouncements.

Problem is if you're playing for rep, in which case assassins will bust it. In my game as France I'm finally getting vassals thanks to an Immaculate rep. No way am I throwing that away just because a heretic who looks like a turtle is running around Alsace-Lorraine.

[Xx_Turk_xX]

Ill definatley have to mod that out. I think the ideas good but my poor scots cant handle this!

[Forever Steadfast]

I've made that mistake once. NEVER AGAIN! NEVER AGAIN, I SAY!

[Gorrrrrn]

or wait for the CHIP Mod, which has monasteries. These can give your priests several power-ups.
the heretics have been toned down too.

[Andytheplatypus]

or wait for the CHIP Mod, which has monasteries. These can give your priests several power-ups.
the heretics have been toned down too.

+ rep for being a good salesman.

[Qchongfu]

Heretics are a pain in the butt, but i'd rather have them the way they are, as compared to before when they were simply a non-issue. It sucks for early gameplay, especially when you haven't had a chance to build taverns or jack up some priests to cardinals. I'm playing as Leon right now, early era, turn 17 and have the usual flood of Imams from the Moors and also a heretic that popped up on turn 4 who's bouncing between Leon and Toledo. It sucks, but it's better than cruise-controlling through the religion/public order portion of the campaign.

[-Myth-]

Way too powerful and the AI doesn't have the option of reloading. The only positive ting I saw is that I was actually GLAD when the inquisition came to burn them. And a princess of mine, but she was ugly anyway.

[AstroCat]

I feel they are ridiculously overpowered and game breaking. If I start a new campaign they are for sure going to be put back near normal.