Rush armies

[PROMETHEUS ts]

I just fought a battle where the opponent had only Samurai with sword , was pretty much indecent fight he rushedd all the way and won ...

[greatlordd]

What did you have, how many units, what was the Terrain like. Katana swordsmen can be broken by concentrated missile fire.

[PROMETHEUS ts]

I had a f lined up bow ashigaru veterans , behind 3 lines of washigaru pikemen also veterans in closed formation and pike wall formation on side 2 units of ashigaru veterans , I have also a follower that gives +2 to ashi bowmen and -1 to morale of enemy , then 1 cavalry and 1 general , he did not have any bowmen , just 1 general , all katana samurai and a light cav ...

[greatlordd]

Suggestion is take the high ground, running uphill is harder. It is dependant on the map, but they are very rarely flat.

[Prätorianer]

For my taste you are using to many Ashigaru units. They are good to get large numbers and to fill gaps. But they can be routed so easily and are very weak. After 30+ Battles, I only rely on Ashigaru Archers (Veterans) and from time to time Yari Ashigaru (1-2) to protect the archers/fill gaps.

You are Chanceless against Katana Samurai with any Ashigaru unit, even if you outnumber them easily. You need to protect your Ashigaru with a few Samurai units.
Against Katana Samurai, the best is to provide Katana Samurai yourself and keep them under constant fire by your archers and/or sending cavalry/yaris in their backs.

Do not engage his archers with yours - it is a waste of arrows and you waste the opportunity to kill his approaching main forces (which should be your goal). Get his archers with light or Yari cavalry or if save enough, with your own General. (only Ashigaru Archers, do not attack Samurai Archers with your General!)

No super secret stuff I know, but probably it helps?

BTW: I hate players who send "XY only" armies into battle. Its killing the fun, the goal of the game and non the less, the realism. But it happens from time to time.

[Karingemori]

In my experience armies of only 1 type of unit gets crushed by a well-rounded army.

[daniu]

If you have only 1 cav, this is indeed hard to beat.
I would try avoiding contact as long as possible to get the archers more free shots, but prevent to let them catch you in your units' rear.
Once you can't kite any further, hammer and anvil cav strikes would be advised...

[Generalissimo]

First of all I would advise to never take only 1 cav unit excluding your general. You are very vulnerable this way and can be flanked or overwhelmed by his cav. I always take at least 2 cav units (usually 4) because my army is much more mobile and it is easier to attack and weaken areas of the enemy's army.

[therifleman]

I use a rush army like that. Except I use 1 unit of ashigaru bowmen and 2 yari ashigaru. Everyone else is katana samurai. It works extremely well against ashigaru-heavy armies like yours. I let my bowmen skirmish and draw fire from the enemy archers. Then I charge all my units forward. My katana samurai will win against ashigaru in melee every time. One unit of ashigaru starts routing and the chain reaction starts. I've ended battles in literally 5 minutes.

My suggestion to you would be to balance your army more with some katana or no-dachi samurai units.

[PROMETHEUS ts]

The problem is I do nothave the money , I dunno how the other guy coul dafford so many samurai , I coul donly afford ashigaru to make a balanced army ...

[Karingemori]

If he has the money, you have the money.

[PROMETHEUS ts]

well make a calculation of the army I had and see how many samu could he afford?

[Karingemori]

Dude, you're playing with the exact same funds.

[PROMETHEUS ts]

so how's composed exactly his army?

[Karingemori]

I can't tell you mate, but if you're disputing the fact that you have the exact same funds, I don't think there's any point in arguing with you.

Or are you claiming he somehow had more points than you?

[ccqwert7]

Was he 1 star and you 10 star?

That's llike 2 extra samurai in monies

It sounds like you had 4 yari ashigaru 3 bowmen 1 cav from your description above, which is 5k funds. Which, with a 1.5k general, is roughly 4800, give and take for some vet.

5000/750 = 6 + remaining cash units of samurai. Not counting his general's cost. It should have been a relatively easy battle - dive his general and then hammer and anvil onto pike wall.

[PROMETHEUS ts]

it was a hilly battle anyway the more I advance the more my general costs? or is opposite?

[Stratos4Kamikaze]

Yari Ashigaru are made to fight against cavalry, and only that. Everyone uses it, so the best thing you can do is change it for katana samurai and Yari Cavalry. I think that is the best army for small founds battles. And spend all your skill points on leadership.

[PROMETHEUS ts]

I did try an army like that , all samurai with katana , 1 archers , 1 cavalry and the general ... since the other guy had a similar army and not taking one would have let him rush alone , ofc we won against the other balanced army ....

[bushranger]

I just played against one of those guys and lost,it was that friggen stupid map wheres just 1 big hill in middle and both players just race to top first and win.
next time i see it im just going to kite his ass off with the goal of pissing him off rather then winning.

The funny thing is he said at end "why bring balanced army didnt you know this is the way to win" i said if you want to play like a douch thats up to you,and he replyed i have to play like this incase you do.

Honestly i see match making dying out pretty fast,there is just to many ass wipes out there and CA dont do a good job of balancing there games after release.
A good example of this was when someone complained about cannon bunes and Jack jumped on and said just bring arrow bunes,really,honestly are they playing the same game?