Drak's Change of Stance - aka - Are Socialists Really Bad?

[DrakKassleron]

This was in response to Rush's assertion that Drak was being sarcastic. tbh, he wasn' the only person saying/thinking this. It also centres on Drak's change from 'Hard Line True Communism' to being happy to have a fascist state. - imb39

I want to make one thing clear.

My post was NOT sarcasm, Rush. I hate Iraq and I despise Islam. I am NOT trying to make the Right look bad. In fact, I am Right. I am also extreme left. However, it's not fair of you to say that I'm being sarcastic. Because I am NOT.

Sorry for getting irritated, but I hate it when people think that I'm joking. Besides, I'm not a Neo-Con. I'm a British Conservative.

In fact, I despise socialism. It's socialism's fault that we bow down to illegal immigrants, and Tony Blair, that despicable leader of British Socialism, is turning this country into a socialist dictatorship. I hate socialism and I refuse to support any form liberalism ever again.

And, for the last time, this is NOT SARCASM, CLEAR?!

If you all want to know why I changed so much, I'll tell you. I'm really angry about militant Islam. In fact, I hate it so much that I would like to have every radical extremist supporter and advocate of Islamic terrorism shot dead, and then for the West to conquer the entire middle east. I really mean that. I also mean it when I say that I believe that Christianity in modern times is a perfectly civilised and tolerant religion. Islam in the middle east in the present day, on the other hand, is the modern equivalent of Gaul, and we, the West, are the modern equivalent of Rome. We should do to the middle east what the Romans did to the Gauls. Then the world would be finally be restored to justice.

And I don't actually like Bush, but his policy torwards Iraq was perfectly justified. Saddam was a disgusting tyrant, I don't know how many he killed, but that's irrelevant. The war on Iraq wasn't just to liberate millions of people from a tyrant. It was protecting the West from uncivilised, barbaric dictators and war criminals that everyday are plotting to kill thousands of our people. Right now, I wouldn't be all too unhappy if Bush pressed the big red button. Boom. No more middle east. Then the world would finally be just.

And we, in the West, are the most civilised men on earth. The middle east is a vile beast of barbarism, sending its disgusting extremists to kill thousands of civilised westerners. I am, really, really, really sick of the middle east. If we just got rid of it for once and for all, the world would be a better place. If this country was a strong conservative democracy, the world would be a better place. Justice to disgusting terrorism!

I can't understand how you liberals continue to live this way, knowing that by opposing the Iraq War, you are defending both disgusting terrorism and barbaric tyrants. I refuse to ever be associated with any part of the left again, save for the extreme-extreme left that is so far left that it is effectively far right.

Earlier on today, I was talking to some person about it, and telling them how their liberal views were immoral and evil, and that they were bowing down to terrorists and tyrants. I then went on to say that I wish that this country was ruled by a Fascist state, and then all terrorism would be wiped off the face of the earth forever. I not only meant that with all of my heart, save for the part about Fascism(I really meant a strong Conservative government), I even started going on about how we should arrest anyone who publicly opposes the Iraq War. I then explained about my plan of a Crusade against Islam, a global campaign to bring justice to terrorism. In the future, my Conservative Extreme True Communist state, the United States, and several European countries would together launch a global war on Islam, conquering every country in the world that proclaims to be an Islamic state, not just in the middle east. And that isn't Neo-Conservative, because I don't really support that. It's proper British Conservative True Communism, nothing less. Conservative Communism means, in essence, communism of the west, which does Not enforce equality, only tries to slowly create greater equality between classes of people in the west, so it doesn't defend anyone who isn't a proper citizen of a Western Nation.

Now, I'm sorry if I sound angry, but I Won't put up with anyone saying that I'm being sarcastic. Know why? Because I'm Never sarcastic, ever, and in my entire life I praise honesty above all else. I always talk about that, about honesty even before I changed my political views greatly, don't I? Well, I'm being honest now when I say that I changed because of Extreme Islam and it's disgusting support of barbaric terrorism and utterly un-democratic tendencies. Disgusting. Those people, the extreme radical Islamists, have driven me to hate not only terrorism, but the middle east itself and everything about it, to the extent that I will also support the Iraq War purely because many radical extremists were killed when it was conquered, no matter how many ordinary people died, that doesn't matter. And this is also to the extent that I would be cheering if Bush pushed the big red button while looking over a map of the middle east. No more terrorism, no more barbaric tyrants, no more extremism. Justice!

Have I made myself clear now?


Sorry if this sounds really angry, but I am really sick of everyone thinking that I am joking or being sarcastic. I rarely ever joke nowadays, and I am never, ever sarcastic. I'm far too serious and angry in my life right now to ever joke at the moment.

So, everyone, please respect my opinion, and accept that I have changed.

[Fenris]

In fact, I despise socialism. It's socialism's fault that we bow down to illegal immigrants, and Tony Blair, that despicable leader of British Socialism, is turning this country into a socialist dictatorship. I hate socialism and I refuse to support any form liberalism ever again.

You despise socialism and yet you don't support liberalism. I guess you're just another who have no idea of the signification of these words...

Man everything you say can't be really taken seriously, from your first post and this one. So full of false facts and contradictions, it's not even funny.

[DrakKassleron]

You despise socialism and yet you don't support liberalism. I guess you're just another who have no idea of the signification of these words...

Of course I understand. I didn't want to say that I despised liberalism because I think that most liberals are harmless, while Socialism is not. However, the truth is that I despise both of them equally.

Man everything you say can't be really taken seriously, from your first post and this one. So full of false facts and contradictions, it's not even funny.

What are you talking about?

@Drak. Last time I checked Communism is pretty much as far left as one can go (besides complete anarchy), so how can you despise Liberalism?

Fine.........ok, I think that it is time to admit that I wasn't ever a real communist, otherwise I wouldn't seek to become a "democratic dictator", would I? I don't even hate capitalism any more, since without it, my life would be useless. Oh well, I guess it's time for a massive change. I am a Hard-line British Conservative, and far-enough right to probably be called a Fascist by some people. But that doesn't bother me, even though I'm really a nationalistic conservative patriot.

Finally, I have thrown off the vile shackles of Marx............

Ok, comrades, oops I meant buddies, I need to go edit my sig. Thanks!

Rule Britannia!

[Ahlerich]

haha, how old are u btw?

i dont ask coz i wanna talk down to u, really!
but it seems that you are still looking to find out who u r.

[Fenris]

I didn't want to say that I despised liberalism because I think that most liberals are harmless, while Socialism is not.

False fact.

Fine.........ok, I think that it is time to admit that I wasn't ever a real communist, otherwise I wouldn't seek to become a "democratic dictator", would I?

I am a Hard-line British Conservative, and far-enough right to probably be called a Fascist by some people.

Contradictions?

But that doesn't bother me, even though I'm really a nationalistic conservative patriot.

Rule Britannia!

Oh and you hate socialists because they aren't harmless... yet you take an openly harmful stance. Because over-the-top nationalist is the most harmful thing (along with religion many will say).

[Ahlerich]

drak u are a scary boy. hopefully ppl like u stay a minority in the democracies around the globe.
ur whole post is worth to be criticized.. but its not woth it for me to do it coz it doesnt change anything and wont make u think.

but one thing to remember coz its most importan, especially these days:

islam has nothing to do with terrorism as well as christianity has nothing to do with fascism

if all the nazi or white power, white pride, the kkk etc are 90% christians that does not mean that christianity=fascismt,racism or naziism

holy **** war will never end ..there will never be world peace i know that even though its sad but why cant find ppl more reasonable reasons to hate each other

[Guderian]

Fine.........ok, I think that it is time to admit that I wasn't ever a real communist, otherwise I wouldn't seek to become a "democratic dictator", would I? I don't even hate capitalism any more, since without it, my life would be useless. Oh well, I guess it's time for a massive change. I am a Hard-line British Conservative, and far-enough right to probably be called a Fascist by some people. But that doesn't bother me, even though I'm really a nationalistic conservative patriot.

Finally, I have thrown off the vile shackles of Marx............

Ok, comrades, oops I meant buddies, I need to go edit my sig. Thanks!

Like I have always said your very talented for a 15year old

I look forward to your Hard line conservative novels having a go at us socialists.

[Zuwxiv]

Drak, I understand some of what you are saying. I would support a fascist communist state, although I would greatly prefer socialist states. (What is communism but the worldwide extension of socialism?)

But I do not get this: Because you hate the terrorists, and because they are so uncivilized, you want to nuke the entire area to glass. You think that would make the world a better place.

First point: Not everyone in the middle east is a terrorist. Nowhere near. The people are just so impoverished, that the poor man's opium (religion) is all they have going for them. It is basicly a dreary miserable existance filled with pain, suffering, and loathing, and then they die. The absolute only bonus to their entire life is that they can go to heaven through Islam (or so they believe). This makes them likely to applaud terrorists activities and spreading their religion. This does not make them terrorists. I guess a good comparison would be that, since so many American Liberals oppose the war on Terror (basing this on your posts and beliefs), America must be filled with terrorists, and other countries should nuke it. (Same goes with GB, sorry.)

Second point: Cultural superiority. Never a good idea. If history has taught me absolutely anything, it is that cultural superiority is the worst and most horrible thing for any country to possess. Devastating to those around them. (And in some cases, completely beneficial to the "superior" themselves; but does that justify the pain and suffering of the innocent?) And if you are the good Superior Christian, I haven't read the 11th Commandment yet, you know, the "Nevermind that killing one, you can kill as many innocent infadels as you want, nuke those bastards into hell" commandment. If you were a Christaian, or civilized, you would not condone the killing of the innocent.

Third point: Would the world be better off if Bush pressed the button? Hypothetical, I know, but: Bush nukes the middle east into glass. How many countries would declare war against the US? Um... Everyone? Mexico? Canada? Pretty much everyone. Maybe a couple allies. Two possible outcomes: The US fights long and hard, but with its megapower status, starts a WW3 that claims hundreds of millions of lives, where the victor is not sure; or, when other countries declare war on the US, fearful that the US will use nukes again, they just launch their own nukes. Goodbye life. Hello Armegeddon.

But you asked for respect of your views, and I assure you, you have my respect. But not my understanding. And if there is anything that the world needs right now, it is understanding.

[DrakKassleron]

Like I have always said your very talented for a 15year old

No, I am almost 17. How many times do I have to repeat that? Take a look at my profile. In 19 days, I will be 17(my 17th birthday is on March the 1st). Please don't say that I'm 15 ever again, mate. I'm sick of people getting my age wrong. And why is it you socialists and not my fellow rightists?

Sorry for getting angry, but I really don't want anyone to ever make a mistake about my age ever again. I'll start a 17th birthday thread for myself on the first of March, and then talk about all of the booze that I had, how popular my new right-wing ideology is, etc.

I look forward to your Hard line conservative novels having a go at us socialists.

Don't worry, I'll have a real go at the left, buddy, and you will all fall. Justice!

Drak, I understand some of what you are saying. I would support a fascist communist state, although I would greatly prefer socialist states. (What is communism but the worldwide extension of socialism?)

But I do not get this: Because you hate the terrorists, and because they are so uncivilized, you want to nuke the entire area to glass. You think that would make the world a better place.

First point: Not everyone in the middle east is a terrorist. Nowhere near. The people are just so impoverished, that the poor man's opium (religion) is all they have going for them. It is basicly a dreary miserable existance filled with pain, suffering, and loathing, and then they die. The absolute only bonus to their entire life is that they can go to heaven through Islam (or so they believe). This makes them likely to applaud terrorists activities and spreading their religion. This does not make them terrorists. I guess a good comparison would be that, since so many American Liberals oppose the war on Terror (basing this on your posts and beliefs), America must be filled with terrorists, and other countries should nuke it. (Same goes with GB, sorry.)

Second point: Cultural superiority. Never a good idea. If history has taught me absolutely anything, it is that cultural superiority is the worst and most horrible thing for any country to possess. Devastating to those around them. (And in some cases, completely beneficial to the "superior" themselves; but does that justify the pain and suffering of the innocent?) And if you are the good Superior Christian, I haven't read the 11th Commandment yet, you know, the "Nevermind that killing one, you can kill as many innocent infadels as you want, nuke those bastards into hell" commandment. If you were a Christaian, or civilized, you would not condone the killing of the innocent.

Third point: Would the world be better off if Bush pressed the button? Hypothetical, I know, but: Bush nukes the middle east into glass. How many countries would declare war against the US? Um... Everyone? Mexico? Canada? Pretty much everyone. Maybe a couple allies. Two possible outcomes: The US fights long and hard, but with its megapower status, starts a WW3 that claims hundreds of millions of lives, where the victor is not sure; or, when other countries declare war on the US, fearful that the US will use nukes again, they just launch their own nukes. Goodbye life. Hello Armegeddon.

But you asked for respect of your views, and I assure you, you have my respect. But not my understanding. And if there is anything that the world needs right now, it is understanding.

I don't agree, but you have made Some good points. Overall, though, I would think it was perfectly justified if Bush did press the button. I doubt that Canada, Europe or any other country would attack a fellow western nation for killing evil terrorists and barbaric tyrants. If they did, I would be the Supreme Leader of the Far-Right Conservative Republic of Great Britain by then, and I would defend the U.S. and punish the countries that were attacking it. When they realised that the U.S. was being utterly just by destroying terrorism forever, they would apologise, and far-right conservative governments would take power in those countries too.

Also, I don't support a "fascist communist state". I would be in favour of myself leading Britain under a strong and just Far-Right Conservative government. I can't stand socialism, and communism is no longer a just or a proper system any more. I will never support it again.

[Bwaho]

haha, what? are you rightist now Drak?

[Tom Paine]

So, Drak, what's your opinion on our "great leaders"? By that of course, I mean Thatcher and Blair.

[Guderian]

No, I am almost 17. How many times do I have to repeat that? Take a look at my profile. In 19 days, I will be 17(my 17th birthday is on March the 1st). Please don't say that I'm 15 ever again, mate. I'm sick of people getting my age wrong. And why is it you socialists and not my fellow rightists?

Sorry drak didn't mean to offend you, it's just that your not on the top of my 'birthdays to remember' list

Anyhow let me get this straight, you went over to the right because you now have an irrational hatred for muslims? I don't think hate is a good reason to change your entire world view.

Speaking for myself Im aware of the threat that Islamic fundamentalism poses to western society, but Iam also aware of the fact that most muslims living in the west don't support these idiots, therefore we should not go around blaming Islam and muslims for the actions of idiots.

[Sétanta]

O GOD!!!

cherish this day mates.
tis a good day to be a conservative
welcome to the light buddy

[wilpuri]

And so the ranks of the Nationalists of TWC grow! Drak is a truly worthy addition to the cause!

[Perikles]

The rise of conservatism in Britain continues!
Rule Britannia!

Now that Drak had joined us it shows that left wing ideas are coming to an end.

tis a good day to be a conservative
welcome to the light buddy

Indeed it is a good day to be a conservative!

Let's hope we can convert more and start the revolu... I mean create a better world.

[O'brien the Protector]

what I like most about your post was the similtanous support of dictatorship, hardcore cencorship, riligous wars, and democracy. The way you think, and the way democracies ( are supposed to) operate are completly contridictory.

In one part of your post you say that the middle east and the entire world would be safer if they were a democracy. Arent you in a democracy? And arent you at the same time demanding cursades, cencorship ( with everyone that disagrees with you being killed), and basicly totalitarianism. How is that much diffrent than what your fighting? .You said that iraq war was just becuase we removed a dictator. The reason he was called a evil dictator was becuase he acted out all the things you advocate. If anything you should have supported him. Teh only thing that Saddam didnt do that you call for was to declare a juhad agianst the west
The stragest part is that you want to do all of that in the name of democracy. Thats as stupid as killing people in the name of someone that said "turn the other cheek". If your going to fight forsomething, fight for soemthing that agrees with you. You would basicly give up what your fighitng for simply to beat the thing your fighitng agianst.

As lame as it is to use a starwars referance, ill do it anyway. The republic was fighting the seperatists, in the name of the republic. Their war cry was "for democracy". They won the war, but at the cost of losing thier democracy and gaining a dictatorship.

What is the point in beating something if you lose what your fighitng for? If a robber brakes into your house and you have a fight with him, you win but accedentally kill your family, could you consider that a victory?

[Ummon]

And so the ranks of the Nationalists of TWC grow! Drak is a truly worthy addition to the cause!

Well, for the time being. He may change his mind again. Though surely it will be fun to read.

[Marie Louise von Preussen]

It is incredible how conservatives are strong today. And the world ain't much better even, or else I would be a conservative too. So, do you think I'm a liberal? No. I don't believe in any political party or political ideology, because everything now seems to be in decay from the earlier times. Especially politics, where true ideology gave place to corruption, personal interests and inept politicians. I have mostly leftist ideals, but I am a conservative when dealing with some matters. But I don't like liberal politicians more than I like conservative ones.

[Tom Paine]

jp, et al; if Drak is as good an... ally... to you as he was to me, you're welcome to him.

[Farnan]

jp, et al; if Drak is as good an... ally... to you as he was to me, you're welcome to him.

That wasn't nice...

As was said in another thread, Drak suffers from a mental condition, so some of his ideas may seem far out there, but don't make fun of him for them. He's probably a very intelligent guy, he just may have a hard time communicating that.