Forced into peace?

[richieelias]

I am playing Stainless Steel 6.4 with no Bygs, no Real Recruitment, and all other options standard.

So I started an early campaign with Hungary and I start off by massing two full stacks in the capitol castle during the first 15 turns in order to quickly eliminate the neighboring Cuman settlements before swooping back down to Constantinople. Byzantine beats me to the punch by attacking one of my settlements. Fine, change of plans, I'll deal with them first. After all, I'm completely ready for them.

I brush their many small stacks aside with my two full stack armies and take Constantinople and the neighboring castle by turn 18.

Turn 20 - I right click on another Byzantine town to continue my take over of the western half of their empire. I then recieve the "Attacking a neutral faction will declare war blah blah blah" popup.

Wait... what? That cannot be right. I double check: yes, it is in fact a Byzantine city. I check the diplomacy tab: Hunh... not only am I not at war with Byzantine, but NOBODY is at war with Byzantine when I know for a fact that they were at war with Turkey, Venice, myself, and Sicily the turn before.

I never signed a peace treaty with them, nor did either of us even ask for one. What gives? Is there some script to force the world to be at peace with Byzantine on turn 20? If so, that really does not make sense.

[midget_roxx]

Was a royal marriage formed with some other country? Check their alliances and see if they are allied with one of your allies. I had something simliar happen to me where I bribed France to marry one of their princesses to marry my heir. Now France was allied with nearly everyone yet I was at war with everyone, but after the marriage was formed all hostilities ceased with the countries allied to France and France would always honour my alliance if I got attacked

[richieelias]

Does it do that? Wow, been playing M2TW since launch and this is the first time I've noticed this happening. I was allied with every Byzantine Neighbor except Cuman so as to avoid getting dogpiled myself so if that is how it works, that would explain it...

I bet it was the Venetians. You just cant trust those Doge bastards

[Losthief]

Does it do that? Wow, been playing M2TW since launch and this is the first time I've noticed this happening. I was allied with every Byzantine Neighbor except Cuman so as to avoid getting dogpiled myself so if that is how it works, that would explain it...

I bet it was the Venetians. You just cant trust those Doge bastards

yeah....i use it it all the time to control other factions, basically if you make an alliance via marriage or a plain old alliance via diplomacy all allies on both sides are immediately ceasefired for both parties. Good way to stop a war your losing and buy a turn or two for a siege etc etc.

[Ferdiad]

yeah....i use it it all the time to control other factions, basically if you make an alliance via marriage or a plain old alliance via diplomacy all allies on both sides are immediately ceasefired for both parties. Good way to stop a war your losing and buy a turn or two for a siege etc etc.

Can be very annoying though, always interupts my sieges.

[lonewolf392]

Can be very annoying though, always interupts my sieges.

I hate that too.. but a few times it saved me from the having my city taken in just the same manner

[Dramatic Cat]

Whats most annoying when youre forced or the AIs been forced to peace by some other treaty is that sometimes you really didnt have any intention of a truce and declaring war again gains only moar untrostworty rep in diplomacy. And if youre catholic the pope never ceases to bite ur ass!

lul, happened to me as england back in 6.3. I was about to roflpwn the HRE (in a war that THEY started) when them hungarians come and say "alliance plz!" i say "oh okz" and i didnt notice that they were allies to the HRE, Poland and the almost extinc norway (who wouldnt be vassalized even when i was besieging their last settlement and get offended. oddly they did accept a ceasefire and a ripoff of 15k florins). lul. I gots forced to peace and when i attacked them HRE again i almost got excommunicated- I said almost cuz i really couldnt afford the pope to call a crusade on london.

lul. annoying rly

[MikeNice808]

Whats most annoying when youre forced or the AIs been forced to peace by some other treaty is that sometimes you really didnt have any intention of a truce and declaring war again gains only moar untrostworty rep in diplomacy. And if youre catholic the pope never ceases to bite ur ass!

lul, happened to me as england back in 6.3. I was about to roflpwn the HRE (in a war that THEY started) when them hungarians come and say "alliance plz!" i say "oh okz" and i didnt notice that they were allies to the HRE, Poland and the almost extinc norway (who wouldnt be vassalized even when i was besieging their last settlement and get offended. oddly they did accept a ceasefire and a ripoff of 15k florins). lul. I gots forced to peace and when i attacked them HRE again i almost got excommunicated- I said almost cuz i really couldnt afford the pope to call a crusade on london.

lul. annoying rly

yeah you gotta watch that...I think on the diplomatic screen it says who they are allies with...its funny Im fighting the danes and poles in the baltic....Im friends with novgorod and the cumans but I have real good relations with the novgoridians...the cumans and novs are constantly declaring war...I cant afford a war on three fronts and my northern border with the novs is very weak....sooooo....when the cuman and the novs declare war on each other I always side with the cuman. I have a diplomat outside of polotsk and the next round I wind up making peace with the novs and thus nulling their war with the cumans.....I've done this for like 5 rounds....lol