Bow archer too powerful and Vassal backstab!!!

[visser300]

Nah, I think that we need a mod to reduce the power of archer. I have one unit of Yari Samurai and a ashigaru archer took it down within few seconds!!!! This such power is only for hero archer unit only!!!

Secondly, I'm pissed off when my six vassals suddenly turn against me and ruin my country after the real dividend event (I have little garrison at my home so inevitably I will lose the game because of those little bastards).

So we have two things to do here: reduce the power of archers and make those little vassals not back stab me.

[Dodge]

How many provinces do you have to control for to trigger realm dlivierde?

[crazyman fromrussia]

How many provinces do you have to control for to trigger realm dlivierde?

Realm Divide triggers once your fame meter hits the top level. This occurs after taking about 12-16 provinces, but check the meter in the clan management tab

Sry for double post

[Herr Shimmler]

visser300, so You think that just because your troops are samurais they should be invincible to missile fire? lol

[crazyman fromrussia]

Nah, I think that we need a mod to reduce the power of archer. I have one unit of Yari Samurai and a ashigaru archer took it down within few seconds!!!! This such power is only for hero archer unit only!!!

Secondly, I'm pissed off when my six vassals suddenly turn against me and ruin my country after the real dividend event (I have little garrison at my home so inevitably I will lose the game because of those little bastards).

So we have two things to do here: reduce the power of archers and make those little vassals not back stab me.

Not sure about the first problem, but check out Yarkis's Realm Divide mod for the second problem: http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...=436082&page=2

It makes the Realm Divide penalty much less and it slowly goes away after some time. Basically, it turns Realm Divide into a Civil War with your Allies and vassals versus the Shogunate's coalition

[dutch81]

15-16 for the trigger.

Once you bestow vassalage upon them AFTER the realm divide trigger they will remain loyal and not back-stab you again. So use it in a limited fashion before the trigger and use it a lot to win quick victories after the trigger.

I think archers are alright ... remember these guys basically have no protection. So use other tactics, often against the AI your cavalry can come to blows with their archers before they retreat, or use use loose formations to minimize losses perhaps even a sacrificial unit, use the yari samurai charge ability it makes them very fast and they can close before significant casualties. There are also units that can lock their morale these would be good to take the brunt as well and then followed by others to wipe them out.

Get creative you can take them out and there is no need to reduce their numbers right away or neuter them.

[TigerKarl]

15-16 for the trigger.

Once you bestow vassalage upon them AFTER the realm divide trigger they will remain loyal and not back-stab you again. .

I have experienced the opposite. My vassals turn against me on 3/5 difficulty after about 5 or 6 turns.

[newguy]

15-16 for the trigger.

it depends on the campaign length i think. my long campaigns always trigger at 20 provinces.

[Xelathur]

I have one unit of Yari Samurai and a ashigaru archer took it down within few seconds!!!!

Yeah, thats probably what happened.

Archers are a bit strong with the whole "homing-arrows-of-doom-+5" type of thing going on, but they are still pretty balanced.

Have you tried turning fast forward off?

[Herr Shimmler]

Homing arrows? Are we playing the same Shogun? becaus ein my version ashigaru's targeting is absolute crap

[AcidJiles]

Anyone else have archers that rather than attack the targeted unit (with auto aim turned off) attack a closer unit rather than move?

[losdos2007]

Anyone else have archers that rather than attack the targeted unit (with auto aim turned off) attack a closer unit rather than move?

Happens to me all the time, they even do it when the unit I target is still within range

Just have to tell them to stop firing altogether, to stop them hitting my own men

[Shocked]

There is nothing wrong with the arrows. Japanese armour just isn't very good, compared to european armour, therefore more people would die due to projectiles.

[chianh1305]

I agree, plus the japanese archers are historically very skillful...
And why ppl have to complain about this, it is so beautiful too see a lot of soldiers fall for each wave of arrows, that looks like the movies...

[Neige]

looks like the movies...

It's actually sad that movies create the guidelines for what is "cool" and what is not. If you think about it. Is real life really that boring?

[SnowRaven]

There is nothing wrong with the arrows. Japanese armour just isn't very good, compared to european armour, therefore more people would die due to projectiles.

yeah getting them to mass target one unit is annoying they either move forward or stop and target something else. I guess its due to the fact we place them on fire at will? since they cant target the unit selected they target something else.

[dutch81]

There is nothing wrong with the arrows. Japanese armour just isn't very good, compared to european armour, therefore more people would die due to projectiles.

I don't think the armor is bad but Europeans used shields and that gave much better protection ... I'd rather have 10 arrows stuck in my shield then in my armor because I am sure there would be at least some penetration unless it completely deflected them.

[Kyias]

Archers are balanced, you simply rushed the wrong unit into firing range first. Look for units with HIGH morale and GOOD armor rating. These are the units who will hol the line against archers. Naginata Samurai are my front lines for this goal.

If you do not want to recruit a high armor unit then use Ashigaru units you do not mind taking some heavy causalities first and then your samurai.

Lastly if you're men routed that quickly they were not supported by your general or nearby units. You have to manage your morale more than ever in this game. It is more important than the units you have with you in most situations!


On Vassals:

They do not take that -100 hit to relations but they do still lose -5 relations per turn (like everyone else) with no cap. So vassals after the event will still turn on you in vanilla, just an FYI. If that mod works, I know I'll be DL'ing it.

[Dodge]

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[Dodge]

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