Muslims 'flagelating' thier religion?

[big bad badger]

I have seen some very shocking images in the daily newspaper. It shows Muslims 'flagelating' (sp?) their religion by... CUTTING THEIR CHILDRENS HEADS OPEN. Yes, the images I seen were Muslims physically torturing and crippling their children! And themselves! A man in their stabbed himself so much his face was covered in blood, his chest, his trousers his shoes everything! And this is normal, under the guise of 'RELIGION?'

If any British/American person did this, Religious or not, we would be put in prison and never let out.

Thought I'd like to share, see what you're views are


It would be difficult to get images I apologize. However, due to the grusomeness I'm sure no images would be better.

[Denny Crane!]

I have seen some very shocking images in the daily newspaper. It shows Muslims 'flagelating' (sp?) their religion by... CUTTING THEIR CHILDRENS HEADS OPEN. Yes, the images I seen were Muslims physically torturing and crippling their children! And themselves! A man in their stabbed himself so much his face was covered in blood, his chest, his trousers his shoes everything! And this is normal, under the guise of 'RELIGION?'

If any British/American person did this, Religious or not, we would be put in prison and never let out.

Thought I'd like to share, see what you're views are

People all over the world of every society, religous or not, have done strange things to their body. Religion or society doesn't come into it.

Peter

[big bad badger]

People all over the world of every society, religous or not, have done strange things to their body. Religion or society doesn't come into it.

Peter

Yes, but to their CHILDREN!? The blood was unreal, the child was crying and his father was laughing and smiling!

Is this 'butchery' due to those cartoons? I'm certain it is.

Merged double post, please use the edit button whenever you want to add something-Valus

[Denny Crane!]

Yes, but to their CHILDREN!? The blood was unreal, the child was crying and his father was laughing and smiling!

yup go back and read my post again. Every culture has its history of this, hindus in India still mutilate their female children (removing the clitoris) so they can't enjoy sex.

Just with the current debate about muslms in the world and this forum this post could be a little provocative as well. Its easy to single out muslims for wierd behaviour but the fact is it goes on everywhere, obviously not so much in western society but thats what a better education level does for you.

Peter

[Richard the Lionheart]

Is this 'butchery' due to those cartoons? I'm certain it is.

No it has nothing to do with the cartoons. I saw a special about this on HBO once.

It's mostly a practice associated with certain fanatical Shiite groups. They do this every year on the day known as Ashura.

[RZZZA]

"Violence during Ashura

The Sunni and Shi'a schism is highlighted by the difference in celebrations by Sunni and Shia Muslims. In countries that have significant populations of both sects, there is often violence during the holiday. Recently, Pakistan, Iraq and Afghanistan have all seen suicide Sunni bombers killing Shiite mourners."



Mmm...yeah...


I think maybe I have a sickness, I see the bad things first and I lock on it like a pitbull on a mailmans leg.

[Erik]

I have seen some very shocking images in the daily newspaper. It shows Muslims 'flagelating' (sp?) their religion by... CUTTING THEIR CHILDRENS HEADS OPEN. Yes, the images I seen were Muslims physically torturing and crippling their children! And themselves! A man in their stabbed himself so much his face was covered in blood, his chest, his trousers his shoes everything! And this is normal, under the guise of 'RELIGION?'

I guess you are talking about Ashura?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashura

Some Shia celebrate Ashurah with a traditional flagellation ritual called zanjeer zani or zanjeer matam, involving the use of a zanjeer (a chain with a set of curved knives at the end). [1] The practice is not universal - many Shia enact the ritual by beating their chests symbolically. [2]

I don't think they cut into their head.
I think what you saw was blood that came off the chains and landed on their heads.

Also: I'm sure they only flagelate themselves.
But maybe some young boys were also flagelating themselves.

It certainly looks horrible.
But they have been doing this for hundreds of years.
I don't think it has any lasting effects. (unless it gets infected of course)

Um western/european? And don't go back like a thousand years or somthin.

Apparently muslims copied it from the christians.

[RZZZA]

Riiight....Just like male/female circumcision is techincally "harmless"... But not really.

This is a good example of nonsensical religious traditions that serve NO purpose in the modern world. If people were a little wiser, there would be no flagelating, there would be no body mutilation.

[Erik]

Riiight....Just like male/female circumcision is techincally "harmless"... But not really.

That's something completely different.

This is a good example of nonsensical religious traditions that serve NO purpose in the modern world. If people were a little wiser, there would be no flagelating, there would be no body mutilation.

I don't think it qualifies as body mutilation.
I think the cuts are only superficial so they wil heal.

[big bad badger]

No, this is becasue of the danish cartoons. It's not a festival. It's cruelty over a ****ing piece of paper!

[Erik]

No, this is becasue of the danish cartoons. It's not a festival. It's cruelty over a ****ing piece of paper!

OK, then I was wrong.
Have you got any links?

[RZZZA]

Right, well theyre bleeding themselves, that counts as body mutilation in my book. When some depressed anorexic teen cuts her arms, do people excuse that? No they seek medical attention for her. Well I dont see why body mutalition in the name of some God should be allowed, its a similar sickness that requires attention.

Y'know, the Mayan kings used to cermonially cut themselves too. Do you know where? the taint. Do you know where the taint is? Its a very sensitive area of a males body, somewhere where sharp instruments should never be around. And thats exactly what they'd do, they'd take crude knives and stick it in there and let the blood drip from their...er...taint...er...the testicular area as an offering to their Gods.

We're in the 21st century now, things like that need to be stamped out already, people NEED to criticise it because it needs to be gotten rid of already, imo.

[Erik]

We're in the 21st century now, things like that need to be stamped out already, people NEED to criticise it because it needs to be gotten rid of already, imo.

If we are still talking about Ashura:
Who cares what people do to THEIR OWN BODY?

I think maybe I have a sickness, I see the bad things first and I lock on it like a pitbull on a mailmans leg.

A sickness called xenophobia?

About the violence:
Sunni and Shia muslims are always fighting.
They are like Catholics and Protestants.
It isn't caused by Ashura.

[RZZZA]

Because its part of a larger negative....look at the big picture and connect the dots.

"Sunni and Shia muslims are always fighting.
They are like Catholics and Protestants."

Yep, thank you.

"A sickness called xenophobia?"

Xenophobia is fear of strangers or the unknown. I wouldnt quite say I'm xenophobic but you have to admit, there is a lot to fear in this day and age when referring to the state of religion on the global stage.

[Richard the Lionheart]

Because its part of a larger negative....look at the big picture and connect the dots.

There are people all around the world of various different religions, ethnicities, and cultures who mutilate their own bodies. So what's the big deal? It's nothing new.

[Lord Tomyris]

It's a gruesome business, one which I can't say I agree with.

[Tom Paine]

HD, all Christians should I believe still be circumcised, I believe... I could be wrong of course.

Old doesn't mean acceptable, H&G.

[LordSaradain]

As long as they wont try to mutilate others, I think we should let them go on with their crazy rites without us interviening.

[Tom Paine]

As long as they wont try to mutilate others, I think we should let them go on with their crazy rites without us interviening.

Yet, as I said (and gave an example of), it does lead to mutilation of others. Bear in mind I am a serious supporter of pluralism and multiculturalism, and see what you get.

[LordSaradain]

As in 'others' I was reffering to people like you and me who are brought up in quite a different world than they live in and proably regard them as lunatics. If they do this to their children and so on, why should we bother, as long as they dont start mutilating me. Just look at what happends when the western world 'intervienes' in islam...