The IH Proposal Thread

[Xion]

If there is to be a new WEF, I think it should be the standard UKA only. No second nation.

[Agamemnon]

I think we should have another alternate history one where you make your own faction, but nobody liked my IH idea about ancient Greece like that.

['Gunny]

A Roman Senate IH perhaps

[Kip]

That's the one that literally just happened Gun

['Gunny]

The generally denotes jocularity

[Blatta Optima Maxima]

A greco-persian wars IH?

[Dave Strider]

Meh. Doesn't leave much room for unit variety(for the greeks anyway) and playable factions.

[Majonga]

Meh. Doesn't leave much room for unit variety(for the greeks anyway) and playable factions.

The Peloponesian war is perhaps a better setting for a greek based IH. A lot of Politicking, Naval and Land Warfare.

Unit variety is a bit of a problem, you have Hoplites and then assorted light troops and cavalry. however once you add in Militia, Regular and Elite units its pretty much the same level as the current 30YW.

Factions are easy as well, off the top of my head.
Sparta, Corinth, Thebes, Syracuse, Megara and maybe some other smaller states
vs
Athens, Platea, Corcyra, Lesbos, Samos, Amphipolis and other islands.

[Dave Strider]

I suppose. I just don't like the "close with the enemy and then bash each other's brains out" approach of a Phalanx.

[Majonga]

It is basically the same style of warfare as you see in 1642, except the ranged units have guns and the Pikemen don't have shields. Apart from Cannon, which i suppose adds a different dimension to battle.

[Kip]

It is basically the same style of warfare as you see in 1642, except the ranged units have guns and the Pikemen don't have shields. Apart from Cannon, which i suppose adds a different dimension to battle.

This. In terms of roles:

Pikes = phalanx
Muskets = Javelins/bows
Cavalry = ... Cavalry

[Majonga]

except no cannon duels. Siege warfare in Greece in the 5th Century was pretty poor.

[Kip]

True, true. I just think its a mistake to dismiss any epoch of warfare as "bashing each others brains out"

[Dave Strider]

Except, you know, Phalanxes, because, that's pretty much what they did. Their spears, compared to the 1642 spears, are pretty short, and their shields are capable of literally bashing someone's brains out.

[Kip]

So pikemen in 1642 didn't stab people or knock their brains out? Did they kill them with kindness?

[Majonga]

The pushing an shoving of Phalanx warfare is incredibly similar if not the same as the Push of Pike in the 1600s.

[Dave Strider]

The "bashing" is from the shields, not the pikes, Kip. You can't do any damage if you whack a pike off a guy's head. At least, not much.

[Kip]

You're nitpicking, Fred. And I certainly wouldn't want a pike to the head.

[Majonga]

In phalanx warfare the shield is a pushing weapon. When two Phalanxes' crash against each other the men used the shields to press against each other and kill their opponents by stabbing overhand with spears or under arm with short swords. Wounds caused in Phalanx are usually stab wounds to the neck and groin, very similar to those suffered in a Push of Pike.

[Dave Strider]

What I am saying is that the shield can be a deadly weapon too.