We don't need a new TW game every year CA

[Blom89]

Were not a bunch of ADD first person shooter 13 year old junkies that can't sit still for longer than 10 seconds at a time. Total War players are more mature and we tend to be very patient people.

Anyone who can play through a 250 turn campaign and spend months crafting there leadership abilities and micro-management abilities does not need a new game every year.

Believe me CA, we have far more patience.

We don't need a new unpolished half finished game every year.

Releasing games half finished, then running around like chickens with your heads cut off in an attempt to patch the holes does not look very professional.

I'm sure the average TW gamer would have more than understood a 3-4 month delay in Shogun 2's release, so the game could have been better sorted out in relation to DirectX, multi-core optimization and general bug hunting.

Releasing the demo 2 weeks before the game is released left you basically zero time to address any of the issues found in the demo.

I honestly don't understand CA's time table when it came to S2TW.

Although, I suspect SEGA is pushing for a new TW game every year, and if this is what we can expect in regards to the quality of the games, then all you have to do is look at Call of Duty to see how releasing a new game every year not only decreases the quality of the game, but leaves the game in an unfinished state.

[Brewskii]

okay

[Rhylin]

Seriously, where are these people coming from. The game plays great; getting good reviews and the overall attitude about it is positive. These long drawn out posts about the state of the game being rushed and unplayable is just a lie.

[Yojimbo]

Seriously, where are these people coming from. The game plays great; getting good reviews and the overall attitude about it is positive. These long drawn out posts about the state of the game being rushed and unplayable is just a lie.

Agreed its a great game and these posts are stupid. If they just patch the mp bugs.

[Dubh the dark]

I'd like to know what people want. This is a great step forward for the series!
What was expected, that utter, elusive thing called perfection?
Are you striving towards an unrealistic ideal?
If you don't like the games, don't buy them, switch series..;
if you do, criticize constructively and be thankful for small mercies.
Gaming is a choice, not a duty.
No-one owes you anything in this world.

Be grateful for what exists, rather than damning what doesn't.

[gargarensi]

Generalizations


you win at life

[Comrade_Rory]

Actually... i'm quite happy for them to release one every year.

And considering how their games are getting better every year, what's the problem?
At this rate, we're all going to end up seeing the era we each want to see a lot sooner than a new game every 3 years or so.

[baz44331]

This guy has done noting but post in lots of topics crying about Shogun 2. i cant see whats his problem. the games are alot better than the old days.

[Ataegina]

i would drop the "we"........... since you dont know what the others want or not

[gargarensi]

i would drop the "we"........... since you dont know what the others want or not

Word, this thread is idiotic. CA has been able to consistently produce solid games in a year, why stop now? And yes, I'd love a new TW game every year and yes, I totally dig a new Call of Duty game every year too. Guess I'm one of those energetic 13 year olds that feed on energy drinks for sustenance.

You fail

[Relativista]

Word, this thread is idiotic. CA has been able to consistently produce solid games in a year, why stop now? And yes, I'd love a new TW game every year and yes, I totally dig a new Call of Duty game every year too. Guess I'm one of those energetic 13 year olds that feed on energy drinks for sustenance.

You fail

I'd love a call of duty in World War 1 ..

But compared to the TW, I think if they can finish the game in time to launch every year, that's fine, but if they can not, because a hurry?

[gargarensi]

I'd love a call of duty in World War 1 ..

But compared to the TW, I think if they can finish the game in time to launch every year, that's fine, but if they can not, because a hurry?

I always wondered how a FPS would work if they decided to do WW1. Granted I imagine very few automatic weapons and for the most part the main weapons would probably be bolt actions. But I think it could work.

Yes, yes, you hate the game.

Regardless, what's the point of this topic?

It gives people reasons to post lolcat and fail images

[SonOfCrusader76]

Word, this thread is idiotic. CA has been able to consistently produce solid games in a year, why stop now? And yes, I'd love a new TW game every year and yes, I totally dig a new Call of Duty game every year too. Guess I'm one of those energetic 13 year olds that feed on energy drinks for sustenance.

You fail

You're joking, right? Solid games? That you can finish with in five or six hours, then all you've got is running around maps like Robocop on Speed, shooting people? No storyline, no script, nothing? That's not worth £30 in my opinion. And since most of what CoD does is multiplayer, can you honestly say that what you get that's new each year in multiplayer is worth £30? I very much doubt it.

[themoob]

You're joking, right? Solid games? That you can finish with in five or six hours, then all you've got is running around maps like Robocop on Speed, shooting people? No storyline, no script, nothing? That's not worth £30 in my opinion. And since most of what CoD does is multiplayer, can you honestly say that what you get that's new each year in multiplayer is worth £30? I very much doubt it.

Hey, don't complain about prices until you're in Australia, shelling out $100USD for new games

[gargarensi]

You're joking, right? Solid games? That you can finish with in five or six hours, then all you've got is running around maps like Robocop on Speed, shooting people? No storyline, no script, nothing? That's not worth £30 in my opinion. And since most of what CoD does is multiplayer, can you honestly say that what you get that's new each year in multiplayer is worth £30? I very much doubt it.

An absolutely ignorant observation, there are loads of new features in the multiplayer aspect and polishing that goes into the gameplay of each game.

I guess by your logic we can say that every single Total war game is pretty much the same game but with a different setting and looks prettier...

[ElementUK]

Well I think he's right. Far better to bring out a polished product. What other industry in the world allows people to sell unfinished products and send them the parts later? NONE

Obviously it's 'deadlines' that injures the games. Don't see it happening with console games do we?

I've had no end of problems with it and spent morte time DLing files from Steam than actually playing it!

I don't mind the frequency though as it's left to modders to keep them interesting long term.

[Sgt.Valenzuela]

Well I think he's right. Far better to bring out a polished product. What other industry in the world allows people to sell unfinished products and send them the parts later? NONE

Obviously it's 'deadlines' that injures the games. Don't see it happening with console games do we?

I've had no end of problems with it and spent morte time DLing files from Steam than actually playing it!

I don't mind the frequency though as it's left to modders to keep them interesting long term.

not many products deal with the amount of lines of code that must be done to make such games. Its more easy to make a physical product then it is to make a coded one such as a game.

For Shogun I would like a greater variety of units and make the units recruited differ from faction to faction. Make battles realistic, slow down the units and make archers less accurate but do more damage.
But most importantly for any total war games to come
MAKE BETTER AI!
MAKE BETTER AI!
MAKE BETTER AI!
MAKE BETTER AI!
MAKE BETTER AI!
And not one that gets cheats or have all the AI gang up on the human player just make the AI as smart as possible and then really concentrate on improving that above all else.

More variety of units? differ from location to location? shoot good thing you didn't play the first S:TW.
Make battles realistic? its a game and it will never be realistic.

If they made the CAI "smart" and battles more "realistic" NOBODY would ever win! and everyone would be on here complaining how "hard" the game is.

I can tell people have forgotten what difficulty means such as Hard and Very Hard.

99% of all games out there with Hard and up difficulty has a cheating AI. On how much it cheats depends on what the makers gave it.

[fnpdestroyer]

If they made the CAI "smart" and battles more "realistic" NOBODY would ever win! and everyone would be on here complaining how "hard" the game is.

??? My point is, make the harder difficulties harder through better AI not cheating. And of course people will still win, people are still far better than the AI I’m just saying to CA try your best to close that gap. In this way you feel challenged by a smart AI not one that is just competitive by having more armies due to free economy bonuses or battle AI that gets morale bonuses.


Is it really fun to fight a faction who despite a weaker economy has more armies than you. You beat one of its armies but it means nothing because he has 5 more despite your superior economy. I would much prefer to fight a AI that challenges me through superior use of what its good than just having truck loads of free crap. I am not talking about Shogun so much I think this game has made huge advances in the right direction I am just saying future titles should continue in this way until the hardest level of difficulty is just better AI than lower difficulties and there are no bonuses to either side.

[Sgt.Valenzuela]

??? My point is, make the harder difficulties harder through better AI not cheating. And of course people will still win, people are still far better than the AI I’m just saying to CA try your best to close that gap. In this way you feel challenged by a smart AI not one that is just competitive by having more armies due to free economy bonuses or battle AI that gets morale bonuses.


Is it really fun to fight a faction who despite a weaker economy has more armies than you. You beat one of its armies but it means nothing because he has 5 more despite your superior economy. I would much prefer to fight a AI that challenges me through superior use of what its good than just having truck loads of free crap. I am not talking about Shogun so much I think this game has made huge advances in the right direction I am just saying future titles should continue in this way until the hardest level of difficulty is just better AI than lower difficulties and there are no bonuses to either side.

I completely understand what you are saying.

Haven an AI that made all the right moves, built the right economy, engaged in perfect diplomacy, and waged war with tactics unmatched to create the ultimate challenge.

Grab a snickers.... gonna be awhile.

Before games where all about Gameplay and not graphics..... Now games are all about Graphics not Gameplay but I'm not saying its bad and I like playing S2:TW I'm saying games arent made like they use to be made.

[Darkpriest667]

I completely understand what you are saying.

Haven an AI that made all the right moves, built the right economy, engaged in perfect diplomacy, and waged war with tactics unmatched to create the ultimate challenge.

Grab a snickers.... gonna be awhile.

Before games where all about Gameplay and not graphics..... Now games are all about Graphics not Gameplay but I'm not saying its bad and I like playing S2:TW I'm saying games arent made like they use to be made.

And that really is the problem with the gaming industry.


I mean look at the ratio of performance versus cost on graphics.. you need a 200% increase in graphics performance to get a 5% improvement in visual beauty... Thats just ridiculous...

Most of us have CPUS that can run circles around any AI Algorithm with room to spare... I wish companies would start working on the depth of games and not worry so damned much about the graphics.. The graphics are fine where they are now.. Please give me something I can get sucked into.