How does the food supply system exactly works?

[luraz]

Hi Guys,

Playing as the Tade clan I conquered half Japan at the moment. Having war with the other half is not a problem. But the constant hungry ppl in my faction is a problem, because they are getting angry. So my question is:How does this food system works exactly?

When do i get +Food supply and when do I get -Food supply?

I am building as many farms as possible, but I can't upgrade them anymore...So food supply is on -5 at the moment. If I don't do anything it will raise to -6 in a few turns.. If I attack other castles, i get usually another -2 food supply, so I am lost now. Can somebody tell what are the important factors of this food supply prediction system, so I can try to get control over it?

All help is appreciated : thumbsup2

[Hinkel]

Hi Guys,

Playing as the Tade clan I conquered half Japan at the moment. Having war with the other half is not a problem. But the constant hungry ppl in my faction is a problem, because they are getting angry. So my question is:How does this food system works exactly?

When do i get +Food supply and when do I get -Food supply?

I am building as many farms as possible, but I can't upgrade them anymore...So food supply is on -5 at the moment. If I don't do anything it will raise to -6 in a few turns.. If I attack other castles, i get usually another -2 food supply, so I am lost now. Can somebody tell what are the important factors of this food supply prediction system, so I can try to get control over it?

All help is appreciated : thumbsup2

You get +1 food, when you upgrade your rice field.
- 1 food, when you upgrade your castel..

So you are not able to upgrade EVERY castle any more, you have to plan now!

[luraz]

I think there are more factors, because if u upgrade your farms you get +2 when it is a high upgrade
BUT if you don't do anything your food supply will go automatically -1. So how is it possible to control this supply?
Thx for your quick reply mate

[Lucius Aemilius Scaurus]

I think there are more factors, because if u upgrade your farms you get +2 when it is a high upgrade
BUT if you don't do anything your food supply will go automatically -1. So how is it possible to control this supply?
Thx for your quick reply mate

I dont really understand what youre saying.. Well I do but I dont think its correct
AFAIK, every update of the castle is -1 food and every update of the market (not the first building of the chain) is also -1. Every upgrade of your farms is +1, never +2 :S

[luraz]

I dont really understand what youre saying.. Well I do but I dont think its correct
AFAIK, every update of the castle is -1 food and every update of the market (not the first building of the chain) is also -1. Every upgrade of your farms is +1, never +2 :S

The consolidation farm is +2 I think.
But if I upgrade the Rice market, it changes to -1? Because of thats true, that was the problem probably

[M2TWRocks]

From what I can tell, there are two buildings/upgrades that negatively affect your food supply:

1) Castle upgrades
2) Market buildings

Each city has it's own food supply that you can check by double clicking on the city. But you also have a global food supply. You can see what this is on the bottom right of the HUD. If your global food supply falls below zero, you start having negative consequences. So you can upgrade one city's castle as high as you want, and upgrade the market buildings as high as you want, as long as your global food supply is always above zero. Hope this helps.

[Feldspar]

I'll throw in an example.

I have 3 territories. in each one I have a castle that requires 1 food. I have 3 farms, each one creates 1 food. I have no markets. My current food supply is 0. (-3 from castle, +3 from farms).

I uprgade 2 farms to the next level so now my global food supply is 2 (-3 castle, +5 farms)

this means I can upgrade 2 of my castles to the next lvl (it requires 1 more food for each). BUT. Markets require food as well, so if I build a market in any town, I can now only upgrade 1 castle to the next lvl and still maintain 0 (even) supply.

However... if you have surplus food, your region wealth grows faster.

this is just a base example, the main thing to remember is that your farm create more food, and building higher tiers of castles markets, eat it up, and if your food supply becomes a negative...people not gonna be happy.

[M2TWRocks]

I'll throw in an example.

I have 3 territories. in each one I have a castle that requires 1 food. I have 3 farms, each one creates 1 food. I have no markets. My current food supply is 0. (-3 from castle, +3 from farms).

I uprgade 2 farms to the next level so now my global food supply is 2 (-3 castle, +5 farms)

this means I can upgrade 2 of my castles to the next lvl (it requires 1 more food for each). BUT. Markets require food as well, so if I build a market in any town, I can now only upgrade 1 castle to the next lvl and still maintain 0 (even) supply.

However... if you have surplus food, your region wealth grows faster.

this is just a base example, the main thing to remember is that your farm create more food, and building higher tiers of castles markets, eat it up, and if your food supply becomes a negative...people not gonna be happy.

Yes, exactly. Gives you some interesting strategic options to take into consideration.

[luraz]

Thx for the explanation guys! I completely understand it now. I was aware of the -food for upgrading castles,bit I did not now that the markets were also a cause of this. That is why my food supply is constantly going negative. Unfortunately I can't burn my own castles,but I can burn my markets,hehe. Man, I love this system. It really makes u think about your tactics in building,positioning armies, raising your economics and warfare. As a player of the first shogun this is the best improvement of CA on gameplay in years!)

[Steforian]

However... if you have surplus food, your region wealth grows faster.

Which region's wealth grow faster? the ones that produce the extra food, or all of them regardless?

[Swashbuck]

That way, it is very easy to instill an instant revolution, all you need is 2 ninja and 1 monk. The Ninja sabotage farm slots and the monk pays a short visit to a province you need into rebellion, et voila.

[Slaists]

Not only castles go into the equation (of reducing food supply). Upgrading markets (to rice markets and merchant guilds) reduce supply by -1/each level. The last level of markets does not require food supply though (but gives a huge boost to wealth growth).

Food supply is global. So you can specialize some provinces for castle/market development while others could stay low level and provide the food necessary to upgrade others. A wise policy is to always have extra food supply (more than 3...) since conquering a high level AI castle that also has a high level market can result in your global food supply suddenly becoming negative.

[bggeneral2]

Not only castles go into the equation (of reducing food supply). Upgrading markets (to rice markets and merchant guilds) reduce supply by -1/each level. The last level of markets does not require food supply though (but gives a huge boost to wealth growth).

Food supply is global. So you can specialize some provinces for castle/market development while others could stay low level and provide the food necessary to upgrade others. A wise policy is to always have extra food supply (more than 3...) since conquering a high level AI castle that also has a high level market can result in your global food supply suddenly becoming negative.

I think, you explain good and correct. But IMO this is .... not bugget, but need some corrections.
1. Markets are not good candidates to spend food, they must create food actually, because if you have money, you can buy food from your partners also, and the food supply to be positive. IMO need correction.
2. If you conquer and conquer and conquer....after several turns you ALWAYS goes negative, never mind how you planed your empire!!! This is wrong. You should have mechanism to adjust the food supply, not depending from the type and level of the Cities, you conquer.
3.Uprising must be related also to other reasons, not only food and religion. In the moment, this are the only real factors.... but huge factors. Because are out of your control totally.

[Thoragoros]

I think, you explain good and correct. But IMO this is .... not bugget, but need some corrections.
1. Markets are not good candidates to spend food, they must create food actually, because if you have money, you can buy food from your partners also, and the food supply to be positive. IMO need correction.
2. If you conquer and conquer and conquer....after several turns you ALWAYS goes negative, never mind how you planed your empire!!! This is wrong. You should have mechanism to adjust the food supply, not depending from the type and level of the Cities, you conquer.
3.Uprising must be related also to other reasons, not only food and religion. In the moment, this are the only real factors.... but huge factors. Because are out of your control totally.

1) Not really sure why markets consume food, tbh.

2) This is alreayd partly true. If you conquer a region with a big castle and/or a rice market, you will have a drain put on yourr ffood supply.

3) If you conquer a region, the region will have instant resistance to you. Also, it isn't just food and religion, there is also taxes and war weariness.

[Xatham]

1) Not really sure why markets consume food, tbh.

The only thing I can think of, is that I would spam them everywhere if it wasn't the case. So would every other player, so it's a balance issue.

[Captain Zoran]

1) Not really sure why markets consume food, tbh.

2) This is alreayd partly true. If you conquer a region with a big castle and/or a rice market, you will have a drain put on yourr ffood supply.

1) Marketplace means a more urbanised centered style of castle/city, meaning less people to work on the farms, and tbh it adds even more strategic challenge, to develop your economy.

2) I tend to save markets for places that already have an commercial interest, such as warehouses, artisans, mines or smithies etc. So whenever I conquer a new castle that has an marketplace and doesn't have any commercial value, I demolish it, and try to keep non essential castles (ie Strongholds for holding key positions) at the Fortress level, and upgrading the farms to maximum. That way, most of my non-important regions are producing +1 food supply, which allows me to focus on strongholds and economical places

[Swashbuck]

1. Markets are not good candidates to spend food, they must create food actually, because if you have money, you can buy food from your partners also, and the food supply to be positive. IMO need correction.
2. If you conquer and conquer and conquer....after several turns you ALWAYS goes negative, never mind how you planed your empire!!! This is wrong. You should have mechanism to adjust the food supply, not depending from the type and level of the Cities, you conquer.
3.Uprising must be related also to other reasons, not only food and religion. In the moment, this are the only real factors.... but huge factors. Because are out of your control totally.[/QUOTE]


I beg to differ on your points. Markets do not create food. The function of market is distribution, not creation. What markets create is profits. But, there is a reason to why markets indeed consume food, as well as castles. For the maintenance of such buildings (or rather, institutions within the society) you need a lot of people. People that are not tending the rice fields, as the other 90% of the population does. The 16th century is a mostly agrarian society. Not only in Japan, but elsewhere, too. Out of the early pockets of modern culture, like northern italy or a any region with a metropolis as rome, constantinople, etc. has nearly 90% peasant population, mostly serfs of the land. For us today that seems strange, as in industrial society, the agrarian quote of the population dropped to around 5%.

And getting into the negative while conquering is normal, if you do not watch your prey closely. A province with a fortress and a rice market along with a pillage rice field.. there go 5-6 food supply. And if that province was deficitary anyways in food supply, than you have a negative trend.

Your last point is not quite clear to me. Could you give me another reason for an example? The current reasons of uprising there are: food shortage (on a global scale, not only local), religion (either through conversions or direct actions of monks) and war events (weariness, destruction and occupation). And those are things you can have well under control, you just have to vie for it. ;-)

[Baleurion]

It's not so hard, just read the tooltips. It clearly states every food change.
+1 food for farms
-1 food for castles and markets

[Slaists]

It's not so hard, just read the tooltips. It clearly states every food change.
+1 food for farms
-1 food for castles and markets

Note that the 1st level of markets DOES NOT consume any food. It's just the 2nd and 3rd level that do. Also, the fourth level upgrade for markets does not appear to consume any additional food. For castles it is different: every castle upgrade consumes 1 food.

[Stil]

A few techs change food production. Possibly traits too?