Something that didn't make sense

[TheDarkKnight]

On all the maps I have seen, it seems as if Mordor has a back door, where there is no mountains. It seems to head into Rhun and Khand.

Now, in the movie version of Two Towers, when Frodo and Sam are near the Black Gate, it is quite obvious that the company of Easterlings they see is marching from the South. Now, if this back door into Mordor is there, couldn't they have just marched through that? And even if there isn't one, wouldn't it make more sense for the Easterlings to come from the North, after coming out of Rhovanion?

[Lemoniser]

Are you sure they were easterlings? To me its excusable either way but I see your point of how it doesn't make too much sense

[Erunion Telcontar]

They, like any sensible people, decided to follow the lovely road in the plain instead of marching across a barren, volcanic wasteland. They would have traveled east along the top Mordor, then marched along the road which turns into the Black Gate, but also heads south. The road, if I remember correctly, merges with the Ithilien road which heads south. There is an intersection that goes to the Black Gate. According to the Movies, Frodo, Sam and Gollum were on the North-Eastern side of the road.
Either that, or PJ screwed up. It's hard to tell, sometimes.

[TheDarkKnight]

They were clearly Easterling. They had heavy-ish armor, compared to the Southrons who are later among those that are ambushed by the company of Ithilien Rangers.

And even still, the route is much quicker than going all the way around the mountains.

And if they went by the road that parallels the mountains to the north, than they would have marched south once they got around the mountains, and they were clearly marching north.

[TheDarkKnight]

Another thing that doesn't make sense is that in the movie version of TT, the elves seem to be somewhat terrible in hand to hand combat, yet they have had hundreds if not thousands of years to train versus the only few short months (I'm guessing) that the Uruk Hai's had. Even still, I refuse to believe that all of them were killed. There are at least two hundred of them at the beginning (though I think more, because it looks like the Deeping Wall itself can hold almost two hundred, and then there are some behind the wall), and it is clear that a good number of them made it into the Keep. I find it hard to imagine that none made it through the whole battle.

[KnightsTemplar]

Another thing that doesn't make sense is that in the movie version of TT, the elves seem to be somewhat terrible in hand to hand combat, yet they have had hundreds if not thousands of years to train versus the only few short months (I'm guessing) that the Uruk Hai's had. Even still, I refuse to believe that all of them were killed. There are at least two hundred of them at the beginning (though I think more, because it looks like the Deeping Wall itself can hold almost two hundred, and then there are some behind the wall), and it is clear that a good number of them made it into the Keep. I find it hard to imagine that none made it through the whole battle.

Someting even more retard is that all that didn't died in the battle, is only those rode out with Theoden.
Most WTF moments.
Thousands of soldiers were all killed, and all left was about ten.
Elves charge right into pike wall, all is .

[TheDarkKnight]

Someting even more retard is that all that didn't died in the battle, is only those rode out with Theoden.
Most WTF moments.
Thousands of soldiers were all killed, and all left was about ten.
Elves charge right into pike wall, all is .

I noticed that too...Ouch.

And the only ones that rode out were the Royal Guard, yet in the next movie, there appears to be about 100 of them on Pelennor Fields...Though I suppose that some people could have been promoted in the few days.

[Double A]

I'm pretty sure some did, or else Legolas would have died.

[KnightsTemplar]

I'm pretty sure some did, or else Legolas would have died.

Well, Legolas himself is and exception, that is NOT considered as one of the 'elves', even being one of them.

[TheDarkKnight]

I meant the force of elves sent by Elrond...Legolas is an army in himself.

[KnightsTemplar]

I meant the force of elves sent by Elrond...Legolas is an army in himself.

This is very strange, I thought there should be Rohirrms surivied, but in the end they all died.
If all thousands of Rohirrms died, the chance of elves suriving is very small.

[mondpeiler]

back to the easterlings again:
they came from Rhûn, so where exactly is the Problem?

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[KnightsTemplar]

back to the easterlings again:
they came from Rhûn, so where exactly is the Problem?

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It's that there's a backdoor and they wouldn't need to take the Dagorlad one.
So there's something strange.

[TheDarkKnight]

back to the easterlings again:
they came from Rhûn, so where exactly is the Problem?

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What I meant is, from the direction they marched it seems as if, they were new members to be adding to the growing ranks and not returning from battle, that they came up from Harad

[KnightsTemplar]

Also, concerning routes, is that where the ambush of Ithillien Rangers occurs?
In game, it's about Minas Ithil.
But Frodo wouldn't need to get there when he is supposed to go to Mordor.
And after that, the Rangers went back to Henneth Annun, thats very far away.
then the two hobbits head for Morgul again.
It doesn't make sense at all.

[Raiven]

Actually you are making big mistake here, as well as it seems PJ has done! First black gates are positioned in north direction. So easterlings coming from the south is not possible. Even more if you take a look at picture below you should notice, that they actually are coming from west. So if it is not some returning war-party, it's obviously a movie mistake
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[TheDarkKnight]

Actually you are making big mistake here, as well as it seems PJ has done! First black gates are positioned in north direction. So easterlings coming from the south is not possible. Even more if you take a look at picture below you should notice, that they actually are coming from west. So if it is not some returning war-party, it's obviously a movie mistake
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I meant that from the direction they were marching into the gate, it seemed as if they came out of the south.

[mondpeiler]

yes I see.
they are coming out of the wrong direction...
well that is maybe just a simple mistake.
the one who animated the scene must have been sleeping.

[Jezza93]

To be fair an army can march much speedier on a road,dirt or paved than on the craggy ,sharp and rough lands of mordor.
Everyone knows an army marches on its stomach,with wagons carrying supplies etc.
Oh wait there are no wagons which means those Easterlings had not travelled far thus indicating they were either the vanguard of a larger force or as another suggested,a returning warparty.

[ISA Gunner]

It was a rather smallish force of Easterlings and not a major military force. They could've been scouting and patrolling along the eastern bank of the river Anduin. Also, Cair Andros had recently been overrun by Orcs. Maybe these Easterlings were coming back from there? As for the Elves dying....well....the reason why i think PJ wanted to add them in at Helm's Deep was just to show the audience how creatures that would otherwise be immortal could be slain and erased from existence by something as brutal as war. Anyway, with the amount of Uruk-hai still present by the time Theoden and co. ride out of the keep, it's safe to say that all the other Rohirrim fighters had been killed meaning that there's a high chance that an even smaller amount of Elves would be all slain. Maybe the surviving ones were sent into the caves to escort the women and children out to safety along with other Rohirrim?