16 Rebellions out of thin air? Game-Breaking Bug or am I Just Retarded?

[DakkaDon]

Hey guys, I was wondering if anyone had either had this problem or knew what caused it.

I am playing a Mori Campaign on H/H with no reloads and was having an amazing time. Enjoyed the early game, liked the realm divide and was all in all very impressed. I lost battles, was outmaneuvared and occasionally flat up trounced, all things that never happened in any total wars previously. GREAT! XD

But the turn after occupying Kyoto I received around four pages of notifications. The first was one saying a farm had been sabotaged. One. Farm. Remember that and consequently there was a food shortage. Fair enough, another nice we example of solid CAI. That message was followed by a further 16 indicating rebellions in just over a third of my undefended provinces. I just dont understand.

THERE WAS A FOOD SHORTAGE FOR THE AMOUNT OF TIME BETWEEN A CLAN SABOTAGING MY FARMS AND MY TURN BEGINNING, in game thats about a month or so i guess, in RL thats around 10 seconds. That TINY drop in food supply (down to -2) has resulted in my just flat out losing to im saying at least 3000 rebels that appeared with no warning, no reason and no bloody oposition! Even the provinces filled with rebelious peasants only have -1 public happiness.

THEY HAVE THAT LEVEL OF 'DISCONTENT' FOR A MATTER OF WEEKS! How is this sort of mass upheaval possible or indeed fair? What did I do wrong guys, please give me a hands here. Thanks in advance to all you fellow shoguns.

[Blom89]

lol thats seriously ****ed

[tarvu]

It's not just a week game turns are an entire season, and it takes at least two seasons (it is destroyed in one, and you have to spend the next repairing it) to repair the farm. That's enough time to piss a lot of people off.

What you did wrong is that you need to either have a food surplus to prevent such things, defend your frontiers so this stuff never happens (which is pretty impossible to do considering one ninja or a single unit can easily raid anywhere especially in a large empire), or you need to have bonuses to happiness/repression from: religious buildings,agents,garrisons,character traits. and/or research.

Before you become shogun or take on any large endevear you should make sure things at home are not just stable at the moment but solid enough to handle some adversity in the near future.

[Juggernaut]

Looks like you have a Kaga Ikkou-Ikki on your hand...

[Sgt.Valenzuela]

Hey guys, I was wondering if anyone had either had this problem or knew what caused it.

I am playing a Mori Campaign on H/H with no reloads and was having an amazing time. Enjoyed the early game, liked the realm divide and was all in all very impressed. I lost battles, was outmaneuvared and occasionally flat up trounced, all things that never happened in any total wars previously. GREAT! XD

But the turn after occupying Kyoto I received around four pages of notifications. The first was one saying a farm had been sabotaged. One. Farm. Remember that and consequently there was a food shortage. Fair enough, another nice we example of solid CAI. That message was followed by a further 16 indicating rebellions in just over a third of my undefended provinces. I just dont understand.

THERE WAS A FOOD SHORTAGE FOR THE AMOUNT OF TIME BETWEEN A CLAN SABOTAGING MY FARMS AND MY TURN BEGINNING, in game thats about a month or so i guess, in RL thats around 10 seconds. That TINY drop in food supply (down to -2) has resulted in my just flat out losing to im saying at least 3000 rebels that appeared with no warning, no reason and no bloody oposition! Even the provinces filled with rebelious peasants only have -1 public happiness.

THEY HAVE THAT LEVEL OF 'DISCONTENT' FOR A MATTER OF WEEKS! How is this sort of mass upheaval possible or indeed fair? What did I do wrong guys, please give me a hands here. Thanks in advance to all you fellow shoguns.

wow that sounds messed! my first campaign I played on Normal and had a -5 food shortage and I kept haven rebel uprising in 2 locations for id say 17yrs ( had not teched up to get the next farm lvls) because I upgraded all my castles =/

but ya if you go in the negative you'll get rebel uprising.... I haven't yet experienced it in Hard Diff.

[rbn1995]

the same thing also happened to me....ragequitted after it and started a new campaign. Can´t wait till some mod will fix this.

[Calax]

Might be related to seizing the shogunate.

[rbn1995]

Might be related to seizing the shogunate.

i dunno i kept getting this but i decide to take kyoto since i was allied with hattori and date and so i did and for once my people still supported me, though hattori and date along with every other clan declared war on me

luckily i managed to crush them all with great pleasure

[DakkaDon]

IM NOT THE ONLY ONE!!! Thats all people who post this think on forums want to hear

Hey Tarvu, well although I appreciate the wisdom in what you are saying I started my Kyoto occupation with a surplus of 7, a stockpile I had nursed for a fair chunk of the campaign. By the time that Citadel along with two minor castles were occupied I think the surplus hit 2. With the terraced farm burnt it dropped into negative numbers. On hard there is really no way to maintain a big enough surplus for all eventualities. Even if I was at fault, I had literally no warning or time to react. I could not even click repair before I had thousands of ashiguru spears ripping the soft underbelly of empire to pieces and dancing in the entrails. Going from 23 provinces to 7 in around 2 turns is a little crazy.

[General Brittanicus]

My food surplus is 15, I know everyone is going to attack me when I become Shogun, so i've just sitting around building up my 15 province empire and making sure i'm well prepared when the time comes to take the Shogunate.

[Shocked]

My food surplus is 15, I know everyone is going to attack me when I become Shogun, so i've just sitting around building up my 15 province empire and making sure i'm well prepared when the time comes to take the Shogunate.

Now that's the smart thing to do. Not to whine about the game.

[tarvu]

IM NOT THE ONLY ONE!!! Thats all people who post this think on forums want to hear

Hey Tarvu, well although I appreciate the wisdom in what you are saying I started my Kyoto occupation with a surplus of 7, a stockpile I had nursed for a fair chunk of the campaign. By the time that Citadel along with two minor castles were occupied I think the surplus hit 2. With the terraced farm burnt it dropped into negative numbers. On hard there is really no way to maintain a big enough surplus for all eventualities. Even if I was at fault, I had literally no warning or time to react. I could not even click repair before I had thousands of ashiguru spears ripping the soft underbelly of empire to pieces and dancing in the entrails. Going from 23 provinces to 7 in around 2 turns is a little crazy.

I probably expanded slower than you did before I became shogun. I did not have many citadels at all. What's the point except to defend a particular province, the only time I pushed for that many slots in one city was at the location of a holy site and even then it wasn't really necessary as the morale is best used on Ashigaru and monks in my opinion anyways so that means Yari building, Archery building, Outpost (Armorer is what I went with), and Buddhist Temple.

The citadels I did have were on the frontier with those I knew would likely attack me once I took Kyoto, so if those were taken it would actually help my food shortage rather than hurt it. My bread basket was always protected. I also don't make money by spamming advanced markets in many provinces, but only in those that have the highest income to boost it even further. I think that trade ports are a better option in late game.

When I attacked Kyoto around 1575 I probably had less of a surplus than you, but what I did have was research in Chi increasing happiness across my empire, 100% Shinto-Buddhism in all provinces, Metsuke or other agents everywhere that was even hinting at trouble, and garrisons in some cities as well. Maybe that was the difference for me, or maybe I just got lucky.

Either way I'm against nerfing the Divide because right now it forces me to really pay attention to building up for the big move for Shogun and its aftermath. It is something I messed up on my first campaign and have had to work really hard to improve since then. The only other option for a challenging end game is to allow drop in battles but I haven't been able to find anyone for this yet (despite some epic battles that I may reload and try to play again later) and besides I'm the type of player that would rather pause every 30 seconds and make adjustments to my strategy so I appreciate the enjoyment and challenge Divide gives me.

[DakkaDon]

I had 10 years worth of infra structure development. I promise you I am not terrible at the game but you will soon realise that to claim the shogunate successfully you need to expand relatively fast and I think you do not appreciate quite how many citadels, castles and fortresses that means. Usually fortifications built without decent farms. The result? An existence defined by a 3-5 food surplus

If anybody is wondering, three years after the mass uprisings my 23 hour campaign concluded with a defeat. from 27 to 0 in three years...

Whatever you think of my food supply strategy you cannot deny that scale of instantaneous destruction for your empire is to put no finer point on it...

[Maizel]

Why don;t we just all not go into minus food supply?

That's not a gamebreaking bug, it;s just a negative food supply. It's supposed to work like that. i.e. It's a risk you take. I never get my food below 0.

[Xatham]

Why don;t we just all not go into minus food supply?

That's not a gamebreaking bug, it;s just a negative food supply. It's supposed to work like that. i.e. It's a risk you take. I never get my food below 0.

Learn to read?

He apparently had a surplus, got someone to ninja one of his farms, then before it was his turn again, there were rebels everywhere

[Alkarin]

Why don;t we just all not go into minus food supply?

That's not a gamebreaking bug, it;s just a negative food supply. It's supposed to work like that. i.e. It's a risk you take. I never get my food below 0.

mines at 14.

[MXmadman]

The turn after capturing kyoto? Is that not the ire of the shogunate? Are you sure this is not the accalimed event that happens when you become shogun that the advisor incessently warns you about?

Or was this long after you 'become shogun' (not sure if you get the rank, but you're the most OP clan at that point)

Edit: also, wouldn't all the wars from the fallout, wouldn't that effect food supply from trade? Or is food never imported? Do wars have an effect on repression levels?

[DakkaDon]

Guys, I dont think a lot of the responders are reading my issue. Look at the first post, I enjoy every aspect of this game. I love it like no total war since Rome. I am BLOODY GOOD AT THIS GAME

The point I am making is although I appreciate all the advice I am getting people seem to be ignoring the fact that I went from having zero unrest of any form with a minimum of 2 or 3 happiness within every province to 16 simultaneous rebellions. That is the issue I am complaining about. I understand how food supply works but I challenge any of you on your first play through to capture both a citadel, two castles and a fortress within a single turn of simultaneous advances, have a major farm sabotaged and the others within captured areas damaged and still boast of an 8 food surplus.

I built an infrastructure, I planned ahead and was quite simply ed by an inane aspect of the game that is both insurmountable as a player, unbelievable as role player and quite clearly broken. Now if one more person ignores that my perfectly happy population turned on me like a rabid dog at the blink of an eye and instead accuses of me of being incapable of economic management I may go and cry.

If this food shortage remained unadressed for even two turns I would not cry wolf at an uprising. It happened in LESS. THAN. A. TURN. Consequently I am not a happy Daiymo

P.S And no this is nothing to do with the shogunate itself, the realm divide had happened long previously and the occupation of Kyoto does nothing to public happiness, quite the opposite if you hold it long enough

[tarvu]

Guys, I dont think a lot of the responders are reading my issue. Look at the first post, I enjoy every aspect of this game. I love it like no total war since Rome. I am BLOODY GOOD AT THIS GAME

The point I am making is although I appreciate all the advice I am getting people seem to be ignoring the fact that I went from having zero unrest of any form with a minimum of 2 or 3 happiness within every province to 16 simultaneous rebellions. That is the issue I am complaining about. I understand how food supply works but I challenge any of you on your first play through to capture both a citadel, two castles and a fortress within a single turn of simultaneous advances, have a major farm sabotaged and the others within captured areas damaged and still boast of an 8 food surplus.

I built an infrastructure, I planned ahead and was quite simply ed by an inane aspect of the game that is both insurmountable as a player, unbelievable as role player and quite clearly broken. Now if one more person ignores that my perfectly happy population turned on me like a rabid dog at the blink of an eye and instead accuses of me of being incapable of economic management I may go and cry.

If this food shortage remained unadressed for even two turns I would not cry wolf at an uprising. It happened in LESS. THAN. A. TURN. Consequently I am not a happy Daiymo

P.S And no this is nothing to do with the shogunate itself, the realm divide had happened long previously and the occupation of Kyoto does nothing to public happiness, quite the opposite if you hold it long enough

I understand what you are saying but you didn't have to expand quite that fast or in that way. It is a fault of the new global food supply, in other games only the town would starve but here since resources are shared and you can't choose to let one of the cities simply starve and only have that once province revolt.

Maybe next time vassal that citadel instead of conquering it, I mean you are talking end-game do you honestly need another citadel?

[andymate]

After my first game i have been staying in food surplus of at least 2. My first game ended in disaster with my realm being pulled apart by rebellions early game. Literally i was moving no where because of negative food production.