Castles to Towns

**cmdrnarrain** · March 17, 2011, 12:07 PM

Can you convert towns to castles and vice versa in this mod?

**Il Ducce** · March 17, 2011, 12:21 PM

No sir. And as a tip, you should probably use the Ask Questions Here thread next time.

**cmdrnarrain** · March 17, 2011, 12:43 PM

Any idea as to why? It was one of the features I really liked in MTW2.

**Il Ducce** · March 17, 2011, 12:47 PM

If you convert Minas Tirith or Helm's Deep into a city they will lose their unique appearance on the strat map. Also, it doesn't really matter that much because all units are recruitable in both castles and cities.

**Goth** · March 18, 2011, 10:37 AM

Originally Posted by Il Ducce

If you convert Minas Tirith or Helm's Deep into a city they will lose their unique appearance on the strat map. Also, it doesn't really matter that much because all units are recruitable in both castles and cities.

not true. I am currently running a small mod i wrote that allows conversions and the unique graphics are not replaced when converted. The mod i have written does not allow huge city and citadel conversions though.
I used to have a thread in submods which showed how to easily incorporate the mod into any version of TATW. If enough people are interested I will repost it and reupload the graphic files. I am currently playing TATW Frome 2.05 with il Ducces expanded map.

Goth

Edit - Just found the old thread, the downloads dont work any more but it explains how to implement the mod
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...ht=castle+city
I will begin work on a version for 3.0 and repost instructions

**Agamaran** · March 18, 2011, 01:36 PM

Converting settlements is one thing, but why the heck can't we build forts?

**cmdrnarrain** · March 17, 2011, 12:48 PM

That is what I figured. Thanks for the reponse.

**Dutch-Balrog** · March 17, 2011, 01:35 PM

i know 1 city where it will be good for in 3.0: Osgiliath, so you can toggle between the destroyed version and the intact version (would be very nice)

**Barsoom** · March 17, 2011, 03:13 PM

Why would you want to toggle back and forth? Once, from destroyed to rebuild, that I understand, but why back?

**Dutch-Balrog** · March 17, 2011, 03:14 PM

because some people want to see the old destroyed city once again in the late campaign, i would love to be able to fight in a destroyed osgiliath and an intact 1 at all truns in the campaign

**thespaniard** · March 17, 2011, 08:44 PM

Wait you can recruit everything in cities and castles? I was looking through the dol amroth and it was a city i think but i looked at the barracks and the top tier one doesent have swan knights under it

**Double A** · March 17, 2011, 09:59 PM

Originally Posted by Dutch-Balrog

because some people want to see the old destroyed city once again in the late campaign, i would love to be able to fight in a destroyed osgiliath and an intact 1 at all truns in the campaign

You can restore Osgiliath? I thought it couldn't upgrade.

Originally Posted by thespaniard

Wait you can recruit everything in cities and castles? I was looking through the dol amroth and it was a city i think but i looked at the barracks and the top tier one doesent have swan knights under it

Barracks script makes them unavailable to recruit until a certain turn is reached. Unfortunately for OotM and OoG, that script wasn't working for the dwarves when I started my campaign as them.

**Barsoom** · March 18, 2011, 08:42 AM

Originally Posted by Double A

You can restore Osgiliath? I thought it couldn't upgrade.

You can't at the moment. This was referring to version 3.0 which will have the new settlements, hopefully including two unique models for Osgiliath. *Crosses fingers.* *Remembers not to speculate about release dates.*

**Russian Gondor** · March 17, 2011, 10:42 PM

Personally I think some cities could be converted. I mean really, if Osgiliath was reconstructed with battlements and a nice sturdy wall around it, it could possibly be called a castle... not speaking of the very tiny towns around.

**Double A** · March 19, 2011, 12:19 AM

Because you could just spam them every other square to have a literally gigantic standing army with no upkeep.

**thespaniard** · March 19, 2011, 01:58 AM

haha i can just picture trying to take minis trith with a fort spam

**NSFW** · March 19, 2011, 08:13 AM

Yeah, if forts were buildable you'd need to up their cost significantly, or remove the free upkeep slots, to maintain balance.

Personally I'd prefer the former, maybe up the cost to 10k, so that the player has the ability to build forts in strategically important locations but with a far from trivial cost so that spamming them isn't really feasible.
Even this might be too generous though; buildable forts would further disadvantage the AI, as it isn't smart enough to build forts at its own important choke points, & the AI pathfinding doesn't deal well with choke points which are blocked by enemy forts (as we're seeing around Minas Tirith in the current version.)

Also, there are engine issues; if you make forts buildable when there are already pre-placed forts on the campaign map then the built forts don't work correctly.
I *think* someone came up with a work around for this but in terms of modding it goes beyond the usually simple task of just tweaking some text or xml documents. I forget exact details, but I'm pretty sure you could dig up the thread in the modding workshop if you are interested in finding out more.

**Il Ducce** · March 19, 2011, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by NSFW

Also, there are engine issues; if you make forts buildable when there are already pre-placed forts on the campaign map then the built forts don't work correctly.

I'm not sure if this is the case overall, but I know when I enabled buildable forts, every time I fought a battle at one it resulted in a CTD.