Cleric guilty of inciting murder

[Yorkshireman]

Contoversial Muslim cleric Abu Hamza has been found guilty at the Old Bailey about an hour ago by a jury of using his sermons to incite murder and racial hatred. During sermons at his London mosque Hamza exhorted followers to fight the West and kill Jews and called for the deaths of British soldiers serving in Iraq. Not bad for someone who lives on handouts from the British state and claims disability allowance. Hamza was found guilty on 11 of the 15 charges he faced including having documents for terror purposes. So it looks like the games up for old Hook Hands at last. US authorities are also seeking his extradition for terror related matters.

[The White Knight]

Contoversial Muslim cleric Abu Hamza has been found guilty at the Old Bailey about an hour ago by a jury of using his sermons to incite murder and racial hatred. During sermons at his London mosque Hamza exhorted followers to fight the West and kill Jews and called for the deaths of British soldiers serving in Iraq. Not bad for someone who lives on handouts from the British state and claims disability allowance. Hamza was found guilty on 11 of the 15 charges he faced including having documents for terror purposes. So it looks like the games up for old Hook Hands at last. US authorities are also seeking his extradition for terror related matters.

Hm: every murder has to be discussed on the forums? Murder is awful and horrible, no need to say more?

Oooh... the murderer is muslim, right...

[Yorkshireman]

Whats your point? You did'nt read it correctley, there was no murder commited, the man who is notorious in Britain was convicted of inciting his followers to murder. Quite topical I would have thought concerning recent events!

[The White Knight]

Whats your point? You did'nt read it correctley, there was no murder commited, the man who is notorious in Britain was convicted of inciting his followers to murder. Quite topical I would have thought concerning recent events!

Well... he's obviously wrong, so...

I'll step aside to let the big guys do the yelling... :laughing:

[Denny Crane!]

Well... he's obviously wrong, so...

I'll step aside to let the big guys do the yelling... :laughing:

Like yorkshireman said you obviously don't know to much about the subject.

Regardless of religion or race people get hauled up on these sorts of charges, they tried to prosecute the BNP white nationalist party. This guy was known to preach at the same mosque that the 7/7 bombers visited just before the attacks just for a little background on the fellow.

He is also on tape preaching to kill other people, jews and britons. Its not about freedom of speech or muslims but incitement to murder which there was ample evidence of. 7 years seems like a pretty just sentence to me, although when will he be eligble for parole?

Peter

[Yorkshireman]

Well yes, as far as I'm concerned someone who lives off the back of my country at the same time as advocating the death of British soldiers serving abroad is wrong.

[The Alcotroll]

I'll second that. And I'll add that we should hang Galloway while we're at it.

We ought to give some thought to dealing with the chap on Newsnight on monday as well, you know, the one who said that Britain didn't belong to the British, but that Allah had given it to him.

[wilpuri]

WTF is this guy still doing in the UK? Same goes for Mullah Krekar in Norway. Kick 'em out.

[Rhah]

Hanging Galloway is maybe a little over the top. I agree with a lot of what he says, but he is an annoying :wub:.
Its definitly good that Hamza has gone down for this, as it sends a message that we wont tolerate this blatant flaunting of our laws.
on the other hand, the fact that he was on benefits shouldnt come into the equation. People on Benefits still have the right to free speech, (as do asylum seekers). When they abuse that free speech though, as Hamza has, then they should be punished.
justice has definitly been done here.

[The Alcotroll]

We don't have to hang Galloway until he's dead, just until he's sorry.

And of course a man on benefits has the right to free speech, but no-one was arguing against that.

I can't speak for Yorkshireman (he's big enough and ugly enough to look after himself), but I can tell you that it makes me very angry indeed to see a man abusing the welfare state system of a country he denounces; using my taxes to pay for his spiteful sermons in which he exhorts his followers to kill me.

[Dirty Harry]

They shouldn't comprimise free speech laws for these guys, instead they should just kick them out of the country as traitors for calling for the destruction of the country and goverment.

[RZZZA]

What is wrong with Galloway? He came here to the U.S. a while back and appeared on Bill Maher, he was a sharp, funny, and likable guy. But then after that he appeared at one of Cindy Sheehans ultra liberal/terrorist sympethizing anti-bush rallies and I just kinda went...aww...just lost most of his credibility in my eyes. When George Galloway is followed by some radical muslim for the destruction of Israel at a liberal U.S. (supposedly peacful) protest gathering...I just had to change the channel, it got too corny and weird for me. But I dont want to see Galloway or Cindy Sheehan hanged for their views, I just kinda wanna backhand em for hanging around with the wrong crowd and doing stupid things.

As for this muslim Cleric...well, as soon as I read this I immedietly though "Pat Robertson"...I'm still convinced that he should be watched from now on by the government, or at the very least get told off more in the media. What this Abu Hamza guy did was far worse I guess, I don't condemn the reaction of the U.K. in the least. This has nothing to do with racism, profiling or the "status quo"...this is just western countries reacting to radical islam and genuinly fearing for their safety, imo. It's definetly different in the U.S. than it probably is in most European countries, afterall Europeans have a history of struggling against islam. For the U.S. its still pretty much new territory, we're not very well equipped to deal with this new threat, no matter what the Bush admin may say otherwise.

[Harlanite]

So the system does work! All the nonsense about double standards should be put to rest.

[Denny Crane!]

What is wrong with Galloway? He came here to the U.S. a while back and appeared on Bill Maher, he was a sharp, funny, and likable guy. But then after that he appeared at one of Cindy Sheehans ultra liberal/terrorist sympethizing anti-bush rallies and I just kinda went...aww...just lost most of his credibility in my eyes. When George Galloway is followed by some radical muslim for the destruction of Israel at a liberal U.S. (supposedly peacful) protest gathering...I just had to change the channel, it got too corny and weird for me. But I dont want to see Galloway or Cindy Sheehan hanged for their views, I just kinda wanna backhand em for hanging around with the wrong crowd and doing stupid things.

As for this muslim Cleric...well, as soon as I read this I immedietly though "Pat Robertson"...I'm still convinced that he should be watched from now on by the government, or at the very least get told off more in the media. What this Abu Hamza guy did was far worse I guess, I don't condemn the reaction of the U.K. in the least. This has nothing to do with racism, profiling or the "status quo"...this is just western countries reacting to radical islam and genuinly fearing for their safety, imo. It's definetly different in the U.S. than it probably is in most European countries, afterall Europeans have a history of struggling against islam. For the U.S. its still pretty much new territory, we're not very well equipped to deal with this new threat, no matter what the Bush admin may say otherwise.

It is not even that as the week before the racist white BNP leaders were up in court on similar charges, they did go unconvicted but then they were a little bit more careful in what they said as they are experienced in "masking" their language.

Peter

[RZZZA]

Ignorant question but.....what is the BNP?

[Tom Paine]

They shouldn't comprimise free speech laws for these guys, instead they should just kick them out of the country as traitors for calling for the destruction of the country and goverment.

That to me sounds like a compromising of free speech laws; it means one can't speak out against the government without risk of deportation, and that is limiting free speech.

And Nick Griffin's trial is ongoing, he says he didn't mean to incite racial hatred, the prosecution say he did... and the videos, to me, say he did.

[Denny Crane!]

That to me sounds like a compromising of free speech laws; it means one can't speak out against the government without risk of deportation, and that is limiting free speech.

And Nick Griffin's trial is ongoing, he says he didn't mean to incite racial hatred, the prosecution say he did... and the videos, to me, say he did.

Its partially finished not guilty on three counts and no verdict on three. I am very disappointed by the ruling I wish they had gone to prison, hopefully they still will.

Peter

[Tom Paine]

Its partially finished not guilty on three counts and no verdict on three. I am very disappointed by the ruling I wish they had gone to prison, hopefully they still will.

Damn... I missed that. But if Abu hamza is guilty, then Griffin and his aide certainly are! Double-standard?

[Harlanite]

Its partially finished not guilty on three counts and no verdict on three. I am very disappointed by the ruling I wish they had gone to prison, hopefully they still will.

Peter

Those guys are quite shrewd, they know how to play it. I didn't expect anything to come out of this to be honest. A funny thing is they (well Griffin actually) actually want us to be believe that they aren't racist.

[Denny Crane!]

British National Party

Or NID Nazi's in Disguise. They've moderated their message and cloaked their language but everyone knows what and who they are.