Are all Nazi's evil?

[Denny Crane!]

Most Nazis were soldiers, and the operators of concentration camps

I have yet to find a credible source stating how many nazi members there were in nazi germany 1929-1945 consecutively. I disagree with the contention however that the vast majority of nazi's were violent or operators of concentration camps.

My contention is that there were a lot of bad things happened, for that many people to die it requires a lot of collaborators and murderers. The SS mainly (how many SS anyone?), the police forces were complicit as well as a number of divisions of the army. Does that mean that the majority of Nazi's operated concentration camps, of course not considering there were a lot of nazi's and armed forces that never came close to one.

I refuse to label millions of people (Nazi's and by inference the german population of the time 80000000) who were ruled by a totaliterian regime, I honestly believe the same could happen in any country given the right circumstances, the German people and the majority members of the Nazi party are no more intrinsically violent than any other people.

I am not a holocaust revisionist, there were a lot of bad people who did terrible things.

Peter

[QuackyNC]

Well if you consider the entire populaiton of Germany Nazi's then there not all evil then.

If you apply the term Nazis to those who ruled the Goverment of Germany in WWII then I doubt you could all call them evil either. I dont think everyone in Hitlers goverment agreed with his anti-semitism. There were several attempts on Hitlers life, so certaintly not everyone followed him blindly.

[Samson]

yes they are

[Denny Crane!]

The majority of nazi members were the civilian population. 8.5 million people by my sources, statistically it was composed mostly of middle class and school teachers were the most populous of any profession as anyone in public sector jobs (civil service) had to join or lose their job.

Peter

[Bayzent]

WTF?? is this post serious???

[GambleFish]

Are you for real Cowen?

PM right now we have problem.

By the way folks, by "all" nazis he means "most"

[RZZZA]

Have you seen Schindler's List? Good movie btw...shows a lot of humanity amongst the Nazi's and how they were just people like you or I...and yes, many of them lacked morality for going along with basically murdering for money, which is what most of the low to mid level nazi's were doing. They got money in their poicket (they the "true" germans) and the bad people who were once taking money from the true germans are now all going away on cattle trains to Poland and wherever, bye bye filthy unwanteds! Die a horrible death!

Yes, the majority of nazi's knew what was going on, a lot of them disagreed with it but did it anyway due to lack of willpower, some became traitors and fought to undermine the Nazi regime from the inside out, others weren't sure what to do.

[GambleFish]

Most people in the Nazi party were there by choice - and after many were killed in the fighting of WWII, the children became fanatic nazis and anti-semetics (sp)

By the way, the quote where I said "Most Nazis were soldiers, and the operators of concentration camps"

I'm saying most were soldiers and the operators of concentration camps. As in, most fall in to one category or the other.

Most were in one or the other categories, which makes them violent. Which was the real issue at hand, cowen.

[Denny Crane!]

Most people in the Nazi party were there by choice - and after many were killed in the fighting of WWII, the children became fanatic nazis and anti-semetics (sp)

By the way, the quote where I said "Most Nazis were soldiers, and the operators of concentration camps"

I'm saying most were soldiers and the operators of concentration camps. As in, most fall in to one category or the other.

Most were in one or the other categories, which makes them violent. Which was the real issue at hand, cowen.

Which I have said time and time again is untrue. Unless you can find me a source saying all the soldiers were nazi's? Certainly there were a large proportion of them but quite what that proportion is I am unsure. What I am sure of there were a massive amount of civilian nazi's who were there merely to amke sure they could live their lives above the poverty line or free from persecution.

Peter

Peter

[Decimus Equitius]

The Killing of the jews didn't just happen in concentration camps. When Germany invaded Poland a lot of Polish Jews were killed. And the way they were killed is horrifying.

Also the fact the the Jewish people were dehumanized starting in 1933(starting with the Law for the Restoration of the professional Civil Service); six years before the war even started is also a testament to the fact the majority of the German people felt the same way about the Jews. IMO

Sure there were some good Nazi Germans, but what good did they do?

[Oldgamer]

I have yet to find a credible source stating how many nazi members there were in nazi germany 1929-1945 consecutively. I disagree with the contention however that the vast majority of nazi's were violent or operators of concentration camps.

My contention is that there were a lot of bad things happened, for that many people to die it requires a lot of collaborators and murderers. The SS mainly (how many SS anyone?), the police forces were complicit as well as a number of divisions of the army. Does that mean that the majority of Nazi's operated concentration camps, of course not considering there were a lot of nazi's and armed forces that never came close to one.

I refuse to label millions of people (Nazi's and by inference the german population of the time 80000000) who were ruled by a totaliterian regime, I honestly believe the same could happen in any country given the right circumstances, the German people and the majority members of the Nazi party are no more intrinsically violent than any other people.

I am holocaust revisionist, there were a lot of bad people who did terrible things.

Peter

Geez, Peter, are you ever going to get flamed in this thread. I won't do it, however.

Suffice it to say, from my standpoint, that most Nazis originally joined the party looking for work. For example, most Storm Troopers (SA) received a small stipend. There were many jobs available in the various party headquarters, and this was attractive to people still struggling with the Great Depression and the economic crisis forced on Germany by the Versailles Treaty.

However, later on, those that stayed and rose in the NSDAP power structure did so because of an incredible lack of conscience. Even the more "moderate" Nazis, like Albert Speer thought nothing of using slave labor to achieve the regime's ends.

When you say that you are a "Holocaust revisionist", do you mean that the Holocaust didn't take place, or that it wasn't as bad as people say it was? Do you mean something else? Holocaust revisionism leaves a bad taste in most people's mouths. Need I say "David Irving"?

Did Hitler order the extermination of the Jews?

[Denny Crane!]

Geez, Peter, are you ever going to get flamed in this thread. I won't do it, however.

Suffice it to say, from my standpoint, that most Nazis originally joined the party looking for work. For example, most Storm Troopers (SA) received a small stipend. There were many jobs available in the various party headquarters, and this was attractive to people still struggling with the Great Depression and the economic crisis forced on Germany by the Versailles Treaty.

However, later on, those that stayed and rose in the NSDAP power structure did so because of an incredible lack of conscience. Even the more "moderate" Nazis, like Albert Speer thought nothing of using slave labor to achieve the regime's ends.

When you say that you are a "Holocaust revisionist", do you mean that the Holocaust didn't take place, or that it wasn't as bad as people say it was? Do you mean something else? Holocaust revisionism leaves a bad taste in most people's mouths. Need I say "David Irving"?

Did Hitler order the extermination of the Jews?

I meant to say not a holocaust revisionist, because some people might take this thread as me sympathising.

Geez worst typo ever

[Kanaric]

if your a nazi or have simular views in some aspects of theirs, like genocide, you are either brainwashed or evil.

[Denny Crane!]

Sorry guys meant to say not a holocaust revisionist

[Oldgamer]

Sorry guys meant to say not a holocaust revisionist

Now, that's GOOD to hear, Peter!

[Siblesz]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

Read that and it will answer all of your questions about this topic. :original:

[Oldgamer]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

Read that and it will answer all of your questions about this topic. :original:

Good answer, Sib. I've heard of the Milgram Experiment. However, it just didn't occur to me in this context.

[Samson]

i have heard some stuff on this forum since i joined it but this has to take the cake are nazi evil i say "Hell Yes" when you can take another person life that has not done anything do you physically, mentally, or emotionally. and is not diffrent to you in any way shape or form. and you are the party responsible for the biggest exterminations this planet has ever seen of almost 6 million people that didnt fight back. I say "Hell yes"

[SovietDoom]

i have heard some stuff on this forum since i joined it but this has to take the cake are nazi evil i say "Hell Yes" when you can take another person life that has not done anything do you physically, mentally, or emotionally. and is not diffrent to you in any way shape or form. and you are the party responsible for the biggest exterminations this planet has ever seen of almost 6 million people that didnt fight back. I say "Hell yes"

If only everyone was as altruistic and gentle as you.

Personally, if threatened with death or killing another person, I would kill the other person.

[MaximiIian]

Sorry guys meant to say not a holocaust revisionist

Yeah, that's kind of a key word to your sentence there...

Are all nazis evil? Yes, by any definition of the word. Were all Germans during WW2 evil? Of course not. There is a difference between "Nazi" and "German member of the nazi party". The difference is: if you weren't in the NSDAP, the government was going to kill you. That's what they did.