Could I interest anyone in some more or less real gods?

[Helm]

What you see there is the Wiccan God (the one with the horns) who represents the physical universe and the natural order of things we can understand with logic and science (left brain) and the Wiccan Goddess who represents the totality of everything else that exists beyond our universe, which can be understood through "human intution" and philosophy (right brain).

I dunno what exactly exists beyond our universe but we can assume it would exist beyond our confines of time and space so therefore would be infinite and eternal, even if it's "nothingness" which technically couldn't exist in the first place and shouldn't be able to create anything from itself. The God and Goddess are part of the same eternal cycle of destruction and rebirth which goes around forever, which I suppose is a bit like Hinduism. It makes sense to me anyway, quite good isn't it? Eh?

[Makrell]

I dotn understand why you see this god as more believable than Allah or other gods

[Helm]

These gods would entirely natural that's the difference, they were also intentionally made up as you can see.

[MaximiIian]

they were also intentionally made up as you can see.

Dunno where you're getting this . Cernunnos was a Gaulish god of forests and wildlife, and Aradia was a Northern Italian goddess of the moon and folk magic. Granted, they are not culturally connected and it wasn't until Gerald Gardner and Wicca that they were worshipped as a pair. But they are not "made up" or "fake". They are as real as Zeus, or Thoth, or any other gods.
Which is to say, from the perspective of any polytheist, entirely real.

[Makrell]

So youre saying they are fkae and dont exist, using the words "made up"

[Helm]

So youre saying they are fkae and dont exist, using the words "made up"

Well they're metaphors of how humanity percieves the universe and everything that exists. Natural forces in human form.

[Makrell]

So they are not gods?

[Helm]

So they are not gods?

They're not people in the human sense if that's that you mean, they're only represented as people so we can identify with them on our own level.

[Helm]

All the goddesses from ancient myth are all different aspects of the one goddess and all the gods are different aspects of the the one god.



That's the very first depiction of the goddess from around 30,000 years ago. A representation of the ultimate immaterial creative power of everything. According to the strain of Wicca I'm referring to anyway.



And that's the first ever depiction of the Horned One, who governs the nature of physical universe and is the consort of the goddess. They're technically both different aspects of the one pantheistic God which covers everything that exists. You can believe in polytheistic beings in addition to this as well but they aren't necessesrily real, they could be but I wouldn't know. The god and goddess are real however is just a question of understanding what they are.

[Ultraman]

"First" depictions? Or "oldest known?"

[Helm]

Oldest known but people didn't seem to make abstract images of deities before this point. And they weren't technically anything to with Wicca of course it's a just a modern reinterpretation. The Horned God may have been a depiction of a tribal shaman in animal costume the goddess statue I'm guessing was probably some kind child birth and fertility charm but no-one knows as no-one wrote anything down back then.

The Native Americans believed in a Mother Earth and Father Sky so that ties in. Also the ancient Greeks had a primal goddess who gave birth to the primal egg of the universe after a giant snake mated with her, that sort of ties in as well if you take the snake as the Horned God.

[Himster]

Oldest known but people didn't seem to make abstract images of deities before this point.

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70,000 years old.

the goddess statue I'm guessing was probably some kind child birth and fertility charm but no-one knows as no-one wrote anything down back then.

There are many interpretations of the Venus figurines, often based on little argument or fact. Like many prehistoric artifacts, the cultural meaning of these figures may never be known. Archaeologists speculate, however, that they may be emblems of security and success, fertility icons, pornographic imagery, or even direct representations of a Great Goddess or Mother Goddess or various local goddesses. The female figures, as part of Upper Palaeolithic portable art, appear to have no practical use in the context of subsistence. They are mostly discovered in settlement contexts, both in open-air sites and caves; burial contexts are much more rare (finding them in burials would be strong evidence for a religious connotation).

[Col. Tartleton]

Yes but the Jewish god is collectively neuter and plural...

Monotheism is just as effective as polytheism, because monotheistic God is universal.

However, yes the earth is traditionally female and the heavens male. Trinities are common as well. Usually father mother and daughter or mother father and son. It's all symbolism tied to astronomical alignments.

And yes, the horned serpent is linked to the horned God. There are statues of a horned man with horned serpents. Cronus means horned, Zeus and Apollo wore shining laurels, Moses had horns of light, Jesus had a crown of thorns...

Polytheistic gods were forces of nature. Zeus wasn't a man in the sky, he was the wrath of the tempest. We still name storms... Poseidon was a tsunami. Hades was life after death. Helios was the sun, Luna the moon, Atlas lay toppled as a mountain range, etc. Personifications all.

[Helm]

Yes but the Jewish god is collectively neuter and plural...

Monotheism is just as effective as polytheism, because monotheistic God is universal.

The Jewish God being a distinct being based on historical revelation may not exist if the revelations and miracles were based on a myths and I'm assuming they were. Seeing as that means we have no evidence of anything particularly to go on at all we have only two things to deduce about the nature of God.

1) God is responsible for the natural order and structure of the universe in some way, so allowing for life to exist. This is represented by the Horned One.

2) God must exist outside of space and time and so be in some way infinite and eternal yet linked to our own finite universe in some way. This is represented by the Goddess.


So the God and Goddess whatever they entail do in fact exist for real there's that much you can say about them for certain. If neither of them existed we wouldn't exist. Richard Dawkin's may point out that these aren't necessarily gods but these are the things humanity has in some way or other over the millenia sought to reach out to and relate with through their different cultural beliefs, so they are real gods in that sense.

[basics]

Helm,

Even if an angel sent from God stood before you to tell you the truth, you still wouldn't accept it. I suppose that's the nature in you you can't quite control.

[Helm]

Even if an angel sent from God stood before you to tell you the truth, you still wouldn't accept it. I suppose that's the nature in you you can't quite control.

If you saw a pink elephant dancing around in a tutu that only you could see would you accept that or would you think you think you were having a funny turn?

[Helm]

In Wicca the Mother Goddess is the source of magick, I'm not sure about that but then you could claim that all religion and religious ritual is a form of magick, even if it's not literal supernatural magic as it certainly does seem to have an effect on people who practice it.

[Idwayreth]

uh....nah, dont like those gods, what else you got?

[Helm]

Cthulu?

[cfmonkey45]

Cthulu?

Nah, too cliché. I think they're looking for a group of deities that creepy nerds and hippies with too much free time don't already worship.





What else you got?