Slamming vs Charging

**Cheomesh** · March 14, 2011, 04:17 AM

Thought I had asked this way back in my newb thread but apparently not. I've noticed when I charge any given foot unit against any given enemy foot unit (double right click), they seem to press close and slug it out, keeping some order and engaging in a protracted duel. But when I take my same unit and double right click behind the enemy unit, they pile in with what appears to be considerably more energy and more easily break into their formation (which appears to result in a lot of more dead enemies much faster - I think its because the guys who break through aren't attacked as easily and attack the back of the enemy where they don't get their defense skill.

When I "slam" like in the second example, do they get a charge bonus? Also, is said tactic advisable? Seems to work really well on walls during a siege - even with spearmen.

M.

**Hyaweh** · March 14, 2011, 06:34 AM

Charging, it's obvious that it's more effective in flanks/behind of the enemy, due to obvious reasons...

slamming is only recommended when your engaged melee unit isn't in a tight formation(meaning that the stragglers are he ones fighting), and yes, it's best used in siege, if your unit isn't already engaged... in field, charge first before slamming...

**guyverlance** · March 14, 2011, 07:27 AM

i say charging

**Agent Fransis** · March 14, 2011, 11:14 AM

Charge and then pile.

**Ferdiad** · March 14, 2011, 01:43 PM

Charge as well, the bonus can be significant.

**CobraStallone** · March 14, 2011, 02:28 PM

Charge, although the real difference is when using cavalry

**Forever Steadfast** · March 14, 2011, 03:54 PM

Charge will give you that offensive bonus, while slamming afterward gets more of your men into the fight; countering that all too common "backwards shuffle" a unit seems to do once engaged from the front.

**Largon** · March 14, 2011, 03:58 PM

Charging is much better. I only "slam" if I want to push forward through an already engaged unit

**thespaniard** · March 14, 2011, 09:16 PM

yeah its very annoying when only 10 outa the 150 troops actualy charge and the rest haang back waiting for the chargers to die

**Ichon** · March 14, 2011, 09:23 PM

Originally Posted by thespaniard

yeah its very annoying when only 10 outa the 150 troops actualy charge and the rest haang back waiting for the chargers to die

That usually only happens if your unit wasn't ordered or the proper charge distance away. The main obstacle to charging with infantry is the size of the unit. To flank, order, then charge at their slower speeds is 3x as long as cavalry.

**~~Théoric HämmerHörde~~** · March 17, 2011, 09:25 AM

Though cavalry charges can make or break a battle, charges from two handed axemen are extremely effective, especially against unprotected flanks and rears. I just hate how infantry can't charge over as long a distance.

**Ferdiad** · March 17, 2011, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by Théoric HämmerHörde

Though cavalry charges can make or break a battle, charges from two handed axemen are extremely effective, especially against unprotected flanks and rears. I just hate how infantry can't charge over as long a distance.

Realistic, charging is only natural for short distances for infantry.

**~~Théoric HämmerHörde~~** · March 24, 2011, 09:35 AM

Originally Posted by Ferdiad

Realistic, charging is only natural for short distances for infantry.

True. Jogging across the battlefeild with light equipment is doable. But to sprint for more than a short distance with a heavy shield is extremely physically demanding. I personally own I large wooden body shield with a boss and reinforced edge, and it's quite heavy. It's great for defensive fighting, but really reminds one on how equipment limits mobility.

**Ferdiad** · March 24, 2011, 02:11 PM

Originally Posted by Théoric HämmerHörde

True. Jogging across the battlefeild with light equipment is doable. But to sprint for more than a short distance with a heavy shield is extremely physically demanding. I personally own I large wooden body shield with a boss and reinforced edge, and it's quite heavy. It's great for defensive fighting, but really reminds one on how equipment limits mobility.

Is that you in your sig

**David93** · March 24, 2011, 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by Ferdiad

Is that you in your sig

lol +rep

**~~Théoric HämmerHörde~~** · March 27, 2011, 01:40 PM

Originally Posted by Ferdiad

Is that you in your sig

nah haha. i made one of those hexagonal cavalry shields romans used. I'm making a spatha to go with it, and a spear if i get to it.

**Forever Steadfast** · March 17, 2011, 04:19 PM

Otherwise you'd have: "AAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH" *50 yards in heavy armor* "AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH" *100 yards in heavy armor* "AHHHHHHHHHHH - aw

this, I'm walking."

**Ferdiad** · March 17, 2011, 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by Forever Steadfast

Otherwise you'd have: "AAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH" *50 yards in heavy armor* "AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH" *100 yards in heavy armor* "AHHHHHHHHHHH - aw

this, I'm walking."

True story I bet.
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