Double-standard?

[Aristophanes]

You decide:

Contrast the way English police deal with fox-hunters[and their supporters] and Muslims calling for 'death to the infidels' and 'behead those who insult Islam.'

http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2006/02/lest-we-forget.html

[Casanova]

I cant get the link to open but im guessing they have come down hard on the fox hunters, and I know they have done absolutley nothing to punish Mulims who are inciting hatred and violence.

And people wonder why the US has enbraced conservatism? Personally I am Independent, but I find it hard to vote for a Democrat or Liberal politician simply because I do not want the US to end with the same political atmosphere that Britain and much of Europe has. I do not want government to regulate every aspect of my life, and I dont want them pushing their social utopia down my throat.

[Aetius]

I cant get the link to open but im guessing they have come down hard on the fox hunters, and I know they have done absolutley nothing to punish Mulims who are inciting hatred and violence.

And people wonder why the US has enbraced conservatism? Personally I am Independent, but I find it hard to vote for a Democrat or Liberal politician simply because I do not want the US to end with the same political atmosphere that Britain and much of Europe has. I do not want government to regulate every aspect of my life, and I dont want them pushing their social utopia down my throat.

I completely agree! Modern Liberalism is the end of freedom.

[Last Roman]

Modern Liberalism is the end of freedom.

well there's a oxymoron if I've ever heard one...



but, I suppose American liberalism and European liberalism are different

[Casanova]

well there's a oxymoron if I've ever heard one...



but, I suppose American liberalism and European liberalism are different

Well Roman, the key word in Aetius's statement was " Modern" Liberalism. I am sure at one time the Liberalist movement (at least in America) had good intentions but modern liberalism is but a shadow of its former self.

Liberalists claim to defend the helpless yet support murdering unborn children.
Liberalists claim to support freedom of speech yet work to make sure Christmas or any other christian celebration is banned from public display.
Liberalists claim to fight for democracy , yet they are the first ones to argue in the defense of tyrants and dicators. - ever hear a liberalist denounce Castro or Stalin?
Liberalists claim to support the constitution, but when they cannot pass legislation legally, they use the Courts to upsurp the constitution.

I could list 100 things that are hypocrtical about Liberalists, but I think you understand the point I am making about their twisted logic and why I never want them to succeed in their agenda for America.

[Last Roman]

Liberalists claim to fight for democracy , yet they are the first ones to argue in the defense of tyrants and dicators. - ever hear a liberalist denounce Castro or Stalin?

yes, me

Liberalists claim to support the constitution, but when they cannot pass legislation legally, they use the Courts to upsurp the constitution.

and the conservatives havent?

I could list 100 things that are hypocrtical about Liberalists,

and Im sure all conservatives are straight shooters

[Casanova]

Lets get back to the topic at hand. Aristophanes asked if there is a double standard. The answer is most definitly Yes.
Now, tell me if that is the result of conservative laws or laws passed by Liberals?
Who are the liberals really looking out for? Are they holding true to the laws and values that have shaped Britain into a great nation, or are they dismissing them in favor of political correctness.
From the view of an outsider it seems to me that Liberals are allowing Britian to become a new breeding ground for radical muslims and their message of hate towards the western world. HOw ironic is it that Muslims have immigrated to Britian for freedom, and now they use that same freedom to denounce their benefactors. Isnt there something wrong with that picture?

[The Alcotroll]

Now, tell me if that is the result of conservative laws or laws passed by Liberals?
Who are the liberals really looking out for? Are they holding true to the laws and values that have shaped Britain into a great nation, or are they dismissing them in favor of political correctness.
From the view of an outsider it seems to me that Liberals are allowing Britian to become a new breeding ground for radical muslims and their message of hate towards the western world.

I think you may need to clarify your terminology here, because I've no idea what you're on about. For the past decade and more we've had a Labour Government. The Conservatives have still to re-group and re-invent themselves as a workable political alternative, while the Liberal Democrats are falling apart at the seams.
The ban on Fox Hunting, as well as the (failed) Relegious Hatred Bill are both products of the Labour Government. They have nothing to do with "conservatives" or "liberals".

Frankly, I don't give a flying :wub: either way, and I doubt many others do. Fox-Hunting is a very emotive issue on the surface, but there's no substance to it. Chasing a Fox across the countryside with a pack of hounds is a pretty suspect way to amuse yourself, but there are far worse things you could do with your spare time.

Similarly, crazed Imams who exhort their followers to put unbelievers to fire and the sword seem at first sight to some deadly threat to our way of life, but look at the people who actually listen to them: the delusional, the stupid and the embittered. If we took away the Imams, if we took away Islam itself, they'd only find themselves another cause to latch on to. Let them hold their meetings and sermons, and leave them to it. Pretty soon, the novelty will wear off.

By cracking down on these holy fools, we make them into heroes, ledgends and even martyrs; after all, every noble struggle needs an enemy.
We should give them titles, encourage them to form pressure groups, donate money for them to spend on pamphlets and hiring buildings. Their sermons should be telivised, and Abu Hamza should appear on Radio Three's 'Thought for the day'. Before long, those bitter young heroes of the Islamic revolution would slink away in disgust to play football with their mates, while the firey bearded clerics would become a laughing stock amongst their communities, just like the official exponents of every other organised religion on the planet.

[Casanova]

No there's not. Such a law is in the process of being agreed. Will we get the same posters who complain about 'PC' then demand free speach, then complain about people using free speach? That is the biggest certainty of all.

Free speach if you agree with me, 'shut it' if you don't type laws.

So there is no law in Britian that stops them from holding up signs in the street which say " Behead the one who insults the prophet," read one placard a Muslim protester held at a weekend demonstration here against cartoon depictions of Islam's prophet Muhammad. "Butcher those who mock Islam," and "Be Prepared for the Real Holocaust," read other signs. One demonstrator wore a mock suicide vest, seven months after four suicide bombers killed themselves and 52 other people in London."

There is no way anyone could ever get away with that in the U.S. I dont care what ethnicity or religion they belong to.

Similarly, crazed Imams who exhort their followers to put unbelievers to fire and the sword seem at first sight to some deadly threat to our way of life, but look at the people who actually listen to them: the delusional, the stupid and the embittered. If we took away the Imams, if we took away Islam itself, they'd only find themselves another cause to latch on to. Let them hold their meetings and sermons, and leave them to it. Pretty soon, the novelty will wear off.

By cracking down on these holy fools, we make them into heroes, ledgends and even martyrs; after all, every noble struggle needs an enemy.
We should give them titles, encourage them to form pressure groups, donate money for them to spend on pamphlets and hiring buildings. Their sermons should be telivised, and Abu Hamza should appear on Radio Three's 'Thought for the day'. Before long, those bitter young heroes of the Islamic revolution would slink away in disgust to play football with their mates, while the firey bearded clerics would become a laughing stock amongst their communities, just like the official exponents of every other organised religion on the planet.

Or Do nothing and watch as they are only emboldened because anyone lacks the courage to stop them.

[GeneralLee]

So there is no law in Britian that stops them from holding up signs in the street which say " Behead the one who insults the prophet," read one placard a Muslim protester held at a weekend demonstration here against cartoon depictions of Islam's prophet Muhammad. "Butcher those who mock Islam," and "Be Prepared for the Real Holocaust," read other signs. One demonstrator wore a mock suicide vest, seven months after four suicide bombers killed themselves and 52 other people in London."

There is no way anyone could ever get away with that in the U.S. I dont care what ethnicity or religion they belong to.




Or Do nothing and watch as they are only emboldened because anyone lacks the courage to stop them.

Yes there is and it happens every day. What you thing the KKK and Aryan Nations are out there giving self help advice? No they're usually calling for another holocaust or the enslavement/deportation of all non whites, some bull like that. They have been doing this for years and no one has stopped them.

[Casanova]

Yes there is and it happens every day. What you thing the KKK and Aryan Nations are out there giving self help advice? No they're usually calling for another holocaust or the enslavement/deportation of all non whites, some bull like that. They have been doing this for years and no one has stopped them.

Actually I have been to a KKK rally, have you?-And no not because i support them, but they had a rally at the courthouse in my town, and ofcourse I wanted to see it for myself.

At the rally they never once called for violence against blacks or jews or anyone else, at least directly. They never said " I am going to kill, or do this or that to anyone". They basically put down minorities and blamed all of our problems on them, but they cannot openly threaten anyone or any group, -as the muslims were doing in london- that sir would be illegal.

[Trey]

You decide:

Contrast the way English police deal with fox-hunters[and their supporters] and Muslims calling for 'death to the infidels' and 'behead those who insult Islam.'

http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2006/02/lest-we-forget.html

Its because of ****ing political correctness.... we all love PC though dont we

[Custor]

All demonstrations should have riot police bashing protestors then we can ensure no bias at all.

To get the same number of arrests per demonstrator at both demonstrations require Police to arrest 0.25 Muslims. Maybe a leg and lower arm.

You are asking for equal policing are you not?

[Masquerade]

Aristophanes, as is his custom, is taking one issolated and complicated incident and twisting it until it fits his own opinion. He is ignoring the fact that currently illegal fox hunting is continuing and not a single arrest has been made. Whereas suspects in the London bombings were identified and captured within a matter of weeks.

[Casanova]

Aristophanes, as is his custom, is taking one issolated and complicated incident and twisting it until it fits his own opinion. He is ignoring the fact that currently illegal fox hunting is continuing and not a single arrest has been made. Whereas suspects in the London bombings were identified and captured within a matter of weeks.

Well actually I think Aristophanes was pointing out that there have been no arrests made against radical muslims who are preaching their message of hatred and violence. Isnt there a law in the U.K. that forbids inciting relgious hatred or something similiar?

[Custor]

Well actually I think Aristophanes was pointing out that there have been no arrests made against radical muslims who are preaching their message of hatred and violence. Isnt there a law in the U.K. that forbids inciting relgious hatred or something similiar?

He hasn't pointed out anything apart from a Blog site through a link that didn't even work.

No there's not. Such a law is in the process of being agreed. Will we get the same posters who complain about 'PC' then demand free speach, then complain about people using free speach? That is the biggest certainty of all.

Free speach if you agree with me, 'shut it' if you don't type laws.

[Masquerade]

Well actually I think Aristophanes was pointing out that there have been no arrests made against radical muslims who are preaching their message of hatred and violence. Isnt there a law in the U.K. that forbids inciting relgious hatred or something similiar?

Abu Hamza has been jailed today. So I guess that's the end of this thread.

[Aristophanes]

Aristophanes, as is his custom, is taking one issolated and complicated incident and twisting it until it fits his own opinion. He is ignoring the fact that currently illegal fox hunting is continuing and not a single arrest has been made. Whereas suspects in the London bombings were identified and captured within a matter of weeks.

Well, thank you for putting things in perspective. We might pause, for a moment, to consider why fox hunting, or terrorist bomb-attacks are 'illegal' in the first place. That might be a logical place to begin. On the other hand, I might just be "taking one issolated[sic] and complicated incident and twisting it until it fits' my opinion.

So, folks, when we compare, say, purely hypothetically, fox hunting and 'blowing up scores of your compatriots', which one is more likely to bring lasting harm to society?[for 200] I'm inclined to believe that "the answer would be 'B', 'blowing up scores of your compatriots". We might even wonder whether fox hunting really had any causative links to society's ills: hooliganism, crime, unemployment, poverty, pollution, etc...
Under what logic then was fox-hunting banned? Under what logic does it then become tolerable to treat fox-hunters as incorrigible criminals?

These are matters to which, I am sure, Masquerade has devoted considerable thought, and I'm quite convinced we shall soon hear from him in the form of an utterly pertinent rebuttal.

However, without his immediate succor, I must resort to my inferior[twisted, even] intellectual capabilities, and suffer the possibility of flawed and fallacious reasoning.

Folks, in your honest opinions, which do you consider a more reasonable excercise of freedoms:

a)blowing up scores of your compatriots
b)fox-hunting

and now, for the daily double, what do you consider a more appropriate excercise of freedom of expression?

a)a placard along these lines, "Behead the infidel and those who insult Islam," or "Slaughter the vile unbeliever"
b)no placards...unfortunately, otherwise we might have suffered the sight of "behead the fox, and their miserable ilk". I'm afraid that these tea-sipping tweed-capped county gents didn't have much opportunity to express their, no doubt vile, opinions. For that we can be grateful for the continued support of England's inestimable police.
[In any case, a public demonstration protesting the illegality of a centuries-old tradition that doesn't entail much harm to anybody other than the occasional fox.]

[Kanaric]

Fox hunting is quite possibly the gayest sport a man can do.

[Casanova]

Fox hunting is quite possibly the gayest sport a man can do.

What about Fox hunting is gay? -Im being serious. Is there a homosexual orgy that takes place before the hunt, or afterwards? Do men take turns in the bushes?

I understand you might not agree with the sport, but whats the point in that comment Kanaric? If someone enjoys the sport then who cares what anyone thinks about it. I personally gave up hunting because I dont enjoy killing animals anymore, but I dont believe anyone should forbidden to do so. How can someone call hunting cruel yet still consume meat? Talk about some real hypocrits . Well the whole hunting thing could be another thread altogether so I will leave it at that.