How do you guys deal with the Mongol and the Timurids

[xjlxking]

Basically, I want to know what the easiest method against the Mongul and the Timurids. It's easy to fight off the Monguls as a European nation. By the time they get to you, it's easy to have your own 5-6 stacks. Heck, as the HRE, I was making 10+ and defeated their enter horde. Thought, when playing as the Turks, or the Egyptians, You got the Crusaders to worry about, who on way or another will take the "holy land" and you got the Monguls/Timurids. So I just wanted to know, what do you guys use

[Boradam]

I never dealt with them, I simply loaded all my units onto boats, and left to invade Rhodes and Sicily, Abandonned my cities there.

[Larkins]

I never dealt with them, I simply loaded all my units onto boats, and left to invade Rhodes and Sicily, Abandonned my cities there.

Haha

As Russia in order to defeat the Mongols I usually pull a Zapp Brannigan and fortify and waste waves and waves of men bleeding them at every step. Literally.

[Blaze of Macedon]

Haha

As Russia in order to defeat the Mongols I usually pull a Zapp Brannigan and fortify and waste waves and waves of men bleeding them at every step. Literally.

You bravely send wave after wave of your own men? But i don't think the Mongols have a preset number of kills after which they turn off

[Nosjack]

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...hlight=mongols

The search function is amazing, please use it.

[In3x]

If you take over the entire map you can have your armies waiting halfway between Yerevan and Baghdad. This screenshot is with Scotland but the same principle works for Egypt.

[Bow-wow-wow]

If you take over the entire map you can have your armies waiting halfway between Yerevan and Baghdad. This screenshot is with Scotland but the same principle works for Egypt.

Wow you conquered the world in 73 turns as Scotland!?!?!?

What difficulty is that on?

[In3x]

Wow you conquered the world in 73 turns as Scotland!?!?!?

What difficulty is that on?

VH/VH naturally, and it was conquered in turn 69 .

Also, spam alot of watchtowers, always nice to know the enemy can't just slip away into the fog of war.

[Arkh]

VH/VH naturally, and it was conquered in turn 69 .

Complete world domination in VH/VH ? Is your game modded and do you use the console like... a LOT ?
I don't know if i'm impressed or just doutbful.

Oh, and for the mongols, i've actually never faced them. I play M2 since almost 3 years (not every single day, i admit) and i've always get bored before the good stuff appeared and restart a campaign.
I've just started a danish campaign (T35) and i think i'll go all the way to the 200 turns this time, juste to see how it goes.

[In3x]

Complete world domination in VH/VH ? Is your game modded and do you use the console like... a LOT ?
I don't know if i'm impressed or just doutbful.

Oh, and for the mongols, i've actually never faced them. I play M2 since almost 3 years (not every single day, i admit) and i've always get bored before the good stuff appeared and restart a campaign.
I've just started a danish campaign (T35) and i think i'll go all the way to the 200 turns this time, juste to see how it goes.

This was done on VH/VH on vanilla, no mods, no console, no cheating if that's what u r getting at.

[PrestigeX]

Its easy enough with an eastern style faction say... Hungary, Russia, Egypt, Turkey, Byzantium, or Poland.

the trouble is with the others, even tho many of the european factions get Mounted Crossbowmen later on -- hmm these HA's are good against other western factions, because of the AP , but they're slow to reload which I think against the fast moving and mounted mongols - it might be better to use heavy cav and higher attack ground crossbows.

I'm playing a Danish Campaign - planning to stretch out over Britain, and the Baltic - take down russia and poland after the Angle-ish and the Scotch , and I'll intentionally face the mongols !

I think i'll have to use lots of Huscarls / Armored Clergy and scouts with armor upgrade (axes with light cav? =D ) -- the foot component of Norse Archers for their melee ability, and as many merc crossbows as I can get my hands on, plus other good additions like ALan Cav

If you have to bring infantry against the mongols, just get spearmen because their shield and armor helps a bit against the arrows and they can take down some of the horses as well... DFK type units are useless against them -- thats why its hard for like.. Scotland or Denmark because they have lame foot archers, and only spear militia -- pikes in the fields against HA's ... would be better to have peasants , least they can run away faster!

[Silverheart]

The EASIEST way would be to simply fortify your settlements heavily with upgraded towers and enourmous garrisons.
Wait for them to come, butcher them heroically - easy peasy!
The only problem is that you need to establish a presence in the areas they want - Antioch, Kiev and surrounding regions.

[KnightOfPortugal]

As the Turks, all you need is Asia minor, all until Yerevan and Tbilisi. Do NOT go any further south than Antioch, Mosul, Edessa etc.. yet, because the Egyptians might be a good ally against the horde. Make sure to get an Hashashim's guild in Baghdad and spam assassins. Let them train on some rebel captains in the surrounding area until they get about 8 agent skill points, more are preferred. Get one stack entirely of Turkomans and Sipahis who got at least some bronze chevrons. Battle tactics are as following: A center, and two flanks. The flanks consist of 4 Sipahi each, the center should be the rest of your horse archers in a double, overlapping line. Your general should be in that line too somewhere. So your center is 8 units long, your flanks 4 each. Make sure to have some height advantage, put off skirmish mode and let them come near you. Don't advance or anything, let them come near eayou. I defeated two slightly larger 3silver chevron stacks with this technique, and my army was still pretty much intact. I bet after a third engagement, my army would've been worn out though. Make sure you kill their captain/family member.
Use an army of assassins to kill off their family members. If the first one failed, there'll be a next one. Be sure to kill AT LEAST ONE of their family members every turn.


In short: If you are playing the Turks/Russians, destroy every wave asap. Don't let those waves group together in a horde of Mongol steamrolling business.

[Blaze of Macedon]

With Russia (and i think this applies to most eastern factions too) i faced them head on since they came into my lands in two vawes of a total of ~15 stacks - first with 2 of my stacks, then with another one comming in as reenforcement.

1) Build Sarkel nicely so to have at least some retraining ground near the front.
2) The two starting armies were pure horse armies - a lot od Kazaks to match their HA (they have the edge for quality but with decent tactis you can make up for it), 4-5 Boyar Sons to kill their Generals and Lancers, 5-6 Druzhinas to cahrge their infantry and 2 General Bodiguards for you (you can field simmilar armies with the Byz Empire, the Ottomans and Egyptians).
3) Use EVERY chance you have to attck them - every time you see an isolated stack or two of theirs attack them.
4) Use the terrain - bridges and forts can be used to trap them.
5) Bring up another army to the front - this one should be a slower one: elite archers (for Russia Dismounted Dvor), maybe arty, again some heavy cav, ha... mix this one up a bit
6) Fortify your cities to the max.

In my case when they got to Kiev it was late 13th century, they only had 4-5 stacks left and i just got my hands on 5 Cossack Musketeers. Tore them to shreds with missles before they even got near the balista tower upgraded walls. I defended Kiev and dealt with what remained of the horde.

So basically - patience.

Oh and expect high casualties.

With a western faction i haven't played agains them yet but i'd expect to face em later in the game so i'd go with Knights with fully upgraded armor and shields for max protetction against arrows (so no Gothic Knights or Lancers cause of the no shiled i guess), light cav for trying to catch their ha (mounted sargeants, border horses... we works for you) and maybe some elite ranged units - smth with long range...

[Ishan]

Spartan 90's Strategy Guide - Defending Against Mongols / Timurids

[Leaf-Fan-Forever]

Let them come to you. Fortify the settlements their going to attack, watch them waste all their generals charging through the gate right into a line of Spears. Their Horse Archers join the fun, forget how to shoot arrows, and also charge right into my lines. I destroyed the entire Mongol horde at Kiev once.

[Xellos_Moon]

People really have to use the search function first. This questions get posted every month.

[Gothic_Knight]

I'm just sending all my pike units to the nearest city that is threatened by the horde. That's all. I'm just sitting behind my walls with cannon towers. They'll go away sooner or later.
My favourite faction is the Papal States, so if I'm lucky one of their family members will be burned (?) by inquisitors.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Nobody expects the Papal Inquisition!

[Arkh]

Then well done. Their must have been rioting in every city, or did you convert everything into a castle ?

[Yojimbo]

Camp in cities let them assault me and make a ton of spearmen and crossbowmen. Never fight them in the open.