Famous Battles/Heroic Victories

[danexpat]

I just noticed that the game places crossed swords and basic info (winning/losing general names, date) at the site of heroic victories. Very cool. Is that just for battles in the field or can you access historic battle info for siege battles also?

[Homeros]

You can win a heroic battle during a siege (attack and defense) but there will be no crossed swords mark on the campaign map. Maybe there is, but you cannot see it coz the settlement's in the way.

[Ichon]

The settlement blocks it from a siege but a siege sally or attack an army next to a city and it will show up.

[danexpat]

The settlement blocks it from a siege but a siege sally or attack an army next to a city and it will show up.

Anyone know where the famous battle data is stored? I've read that there may be a limit to the number of famous battles that will be recorded - 20 or 50? I would like to be able to go in and look before older ones get bumped if there is a limit. Thanks.

How does the game determine if a victory is classified as a heroic victory? I know there's that text on the post-battle screen to let you know, but how exactly is that figured out?

There are some discussions I have read that are mostly consistent with my very limited experience, saying that the key factors are (1) total size of armies in play, (2) you must have a heroic victory, and (3) Ratio of enemy killed/captured:your own dead must be VERY high.

I had two famous battle site markers placed in three turns while on crusade. First battle was ~600 (me) crusaders vs. 1200 saracens. Used heavy cavalry to outflank caliphate army and hit them from the rear while they were engaged with my infantry. Second famous battle was a couple of turns later ~ 135 (me) vs. 450 saracens. (In between the two famous battles was another heroic victory of ~400 crusaders vs. another 1200 saracens!)

I go through all that to point out that the first famous battle involved 1800 men (mine and theirs total) but the second only involved 600 men total. The older discussions I read said that total number of troops was an important factor (suggesting it needs to be epic in scale). Based on my very limited experience I'm not sure that is completely true... In the second famous battle I had an excellent killed:dead ratio but the overall scale was rather small.

I'm also interested in reading what more experienced players have to say.

[kevindrosario]

How does the game determine if a victory is classified as a heroic victory? I know there's that text on the post-battle screen to let you know, but how exactly is that figured out?

[Ichon]

Never read the exact formula but it seems it has to do with the odds against your forces and the size of the battle. Heroic Victories with a single general defeating some rebels are hardly ever shown but a Heroic Victory with 3-4 cavalry against about 800 enemy or more almost always will be shown. However there is a limited amount of Heroic Victory graphics so eventually you will run out. Its weird though because it seems there is a log of the victories kept somewhere as if you win a really, really great heroic victory sometime ones of your former victory markers will disappear and the new victory is awarded one. But it gets more and more difficult as you have to surpass all you previous great victories.

[CobraStallone]

I just noticed that the game places crossed swords and basic info (winning/losing general names, date) at the site of heroic victories. Very cool. Is that just for battles in the field or can you access historic battle info for siege battles also?

It's been around since Rome, maybe even medieval I.

[Kernow]

Whats the number of heroic victories that can be shown on the campaign map, and is for the players faction or for all factions?

[k/t]

It's for all factions, and the exact number is unknown.

[Kernow]

How is the exact number unknown, is it not in the config files somewhere?

[Ferdiad]

It's limited my ones are disappearing so fast in my campaign .All my scottish and Irish victories are gone.I have loads in the Rhineland now though.

[k/t]

If Ishan doesn't know it, it's unknown.

[Homeros]

It's around 15, at least in the vanilla version.