Cuba - America's thorn
Castro ran his country into the ground? It's a ****ing paradise compared to what it was under Batista. For a country that has the worlds largest ecnomic superpower an embargo on it, a tiny island that has to be almost self-sufficient, and they have free healthcare and free education without taxing ordinary people. That's an incredible achievement.
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Mr Common Sense
And yet so many seem to see it as a happy peoples, a stable nation and an all-round nice place.... except the US.
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There are quite a few people who now live in Florida who would disagree with you.
Overall I agree that Cuba isn't bad as far a dictatorships go, but I think it is a stretch to call it a "nice place."
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And that's why people risk their lives on make-shift rafts crossing shark infested and stormy waters!!!
Cuba is extremely impoverished, but it survives with severe rationing, and a little foreign currency earned from European, South American and Canadian tourists. Some communism!!!
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Domesticus
Man, I find it funnt that you try to prove your point by showing "unhappy people's face". I could go to any big US city and take picture with people looking FAR more miserable than this. haha.
Oh yes, there's quite a few political prisoners though in Cube. And a good bunch of them are in Guantanamo.
EDIT: Oh, and by the way, compare Cuba to a capitalist country that has a similar economical power. No, even a bigger economical power, like Brazil, for example.
But oh well, seems like anti-communist propaganda is still very present in the US (don't get me wrong, I am not communist by any mean and wouldn't like to live in a communist country, but Cuba is very far from being a hell, like some people say it is.)
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Rebel of Jesusland
I find it quite hypocritical that the US sanctions Cuba but not China, very ugly double standard.
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ron :wub:in swanson
well if we sanctioned China, who would make all our shirts and pants?
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Malaysia and Vietnam.well if we sanctioned China, who would make all our shirts and pants?
My brother's navy cap is made in Vietnam. edit: I wonder if McCain would approve? I know my dad doesn't, lol.
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I find it a lot more hypocritical that the EU likes to get so preachy about human rights but won't condemn Castro, infact he's A-OK. Glad the US has the guts to take a stand while the rest of the world closes their eyes to the fact that he locks up for life, tortures and executes political dissidents, journalists and librarians. His country is dirt poor, they have no medical supplies, no gasoline, housing shortages, clothing shortages, you name it. And no its not cuz of american sanctions cuz like I said the rest of the world still trades with him, hell the only thing keeping his socialist paradise afloat is the billions of dollars that come in every year from Canadian & European tourists. When people go to cheap resorts there they are bankrolling a brutal dictator.
The only equality in socialism is that it makes everyone equally poor except for the fat dictator at the top and his cronies. Notice Chavez is a big fatso too while millions starve in the slums of Caracas.
Rebel of Jesusland
EU preachy about human rights, look at America, they are more so, the neocons think they are the Jesus of nations. If America had guts as you say, it would stand up to China with their human rights violations. America bankrupts dictators currently as we speak, like Mubarak.
Because of Chavez, less people are starving in the slums.
SecureROM is stupid....
Actually when I was in Cuba I could find nothing but enthusiastic support for Castro. Do you know that 95% of the electorate turn out to vote there?
Civitate
Just like Saddam received 98% of the votes in Iraq's previous democratic elections?
Mr Common Sense
I've been to Mexico City and almost literally everyone was happy. I mean the real, live Mexicans; on the underground (whatever its called), in the zocalo, etc; they're happy. I wonder, maybe Cuba's like that, you'd expect them to be sad but they aren't...
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"The dying, the cripple, the mental, the unwanted, the unloved they are Jesus in disguise." - Mother Teresa
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I didn't say he recieved 95% of the vote, I said 95% of the electorate VOTED. 'Voted', not 'voted for Castro'.
Of course he's committing a bloody crime! If Chavez called for Bush's assasination there'd be a hell of a fuss.
Civitate
Voted for who? I didnt realise they have multiple candidates there too?
They have regional elections... to quote Castro,
"In Cuba, we have a united country and a party that guides but does not nominate or elect. The people, gathered in open assemblies, put up candidates, nominate and elect delegates from 14,686 districts; these are the foundation of our electoral system. They make up the assemblies of their respective municipalities, and nominate candidates to the provincial and national assemblies, the highest bodies of state power at those levels. The delegates, who are chosen through a secret ballot, must receive over 50% of the valid votes in their corresponding jurisdictions."
And consider that "Although voting is not compulsory, over 95% of eligible voters take part in these elections. Many people in the world have not even bothered to look into these facts.
The United States, such a vocal advocate of multi-party systems, has two parties that are so perfectly similar in their methods, objectives and goals that they have practically created the most perfect one-party system in the world. Over 50% of the people in that "democratic country" do not even cast a vote, and the team that manages to raise the most funds often wins with the votes of only 25% of the electorate. The political system is undermined by disputes, vanity and personal ambition or by interest groups operating within the established economic and social model and there is no alternative for a change in the system. "
ron :wub:in swanson
I dont understand why you're defending Castro. I can guarantee if you actually lived there, you wouldnt be any longer
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Oh, can you? And from what information can you 'guarantee' this? McCarthyism? Have you even been to Cuba? I'd MUCH rather live there than the USA, that's for sure.
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