Ronins. Peasants, Rebels ideas

[Winkelried]

Your mod is great dont force me to commit seppuku please

How will you portray the differences between Ronins (samurais without master) , unorganized Rebels (criminals peasants and such bad guys) and organized rebellions (Ikko Ikki and partisans of the previous leader) ?

Ronins
- complete armour (with face masks) and katana , small number, great stats
. Or no armour but that would be silly http://www.obsidianent.com/images/IMGP0139.jpg

Ikko Ikki
-The Ikko Ikki were really organized then your units with complete and good armours are great. Will they have a pseudo Sashimo with the Amida pray ?

Could their elite unit have this armour http://www.computersonline.se/webpic...a_ashigaru.jpg (Tomte of Doom pics on .org) I know it's anachronic, but so sweet looking and this would make a difference between normal naginata and elite naginata.

The partisans from previous leaders
- Will they be portrayed with normal samurais ?

Normal samurais means samurais without sashimo or with ex-leader sashimo with a symbol added (like the symbol of the horde units in BI) ?

Peasants
- Your peasants unit with bamboo sticks is great, keep it ! Will they be another kind of peasants ?

Bandits
- They should be made in small units of a sort of rag-time army armed with only parts of armours and follow the rebellions.

« Ashigarus » bandits:
- legs protections,
- ashigarus helmet
- Do
- armed with Yari or teppo or bows

« Samurais » unit
- legs, forearms and hands protection
- Do
- forehead and neck protections
- armed with katana only
- bows or teppo with katana
http://www.beaujest.com/images/7samurai.jpg

Bodyguards units
- http://www.bujinkan-duisburg.de/images/samurai9k2.jpg

Leader
- Dont know how to represent a bandit leader

Sorry for my english, I am Swiss french-speaker

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[TomteOfDoom]

Thank you for the input and shown interest. However, you are a bit too late to really influence the unit layouts much, since most of them have already been done. :wink:

How will you portray the differences between Ronins (samurais without master) , unorganized Rebels (criminals peasants and such bad guys) and organized rebellions (Ikko Ikki and partisans of the previous leader) ?

Rônin will primarily be late game units, since they were around only in great numbers when the fighting partys became fewer and better organized, and also when a lot of old clans where destroyed. During the more active decades of the sengoku jidai, rônin could easily find employment with other clans, since everyone was on a constant lookout for skilled men.

The Rônin will only consist of infantry due to their lack of funding, with doable armor and the usual repetoar of weapons. A sertain deduction will be made on armor and discipline for these units, but on the upside, they will have great combat stats matching the very elite of the retained samurai, and also excellent morale. The skill bonus is to reflect that they have gotten a lot of experience through their exposed life as outcasts, and the increased morale that they are eager to prove themselfes as no worse than employed samurai and clear their name/secure employment. The armor deduction reflects their poor quality and unkept armor, they might have sold their better equipment to feed themselfes.

Ikko Ikki will consist of an organized core of 'Ikko Ikki' samurai, who will have the same basic level of skill and equipment as their daimyo-house counterparts. Outside this core, the Ikko Ikki will be composed of rônin, as oppertunity allows, but foremost masses of peasants, using whatever weapons they can muster. These will lack in everything but numbers and zeal. Thus, there should be a difference between Ikko Ikki peasant units and ordinary peasant revolteers, who also lack spirit.

Bandits Is still a area to look into. We havent planned dedicated units for this group, but they should be a middleground between peasants and rônin: Avarage morale, low discipline, scrapyard equipment and decent combat stats. I will do some sketching of the bandit units and pass them to Prometheus. I was already thinking along the lines of Kurosawas "7 samurai", the problem is that every unit in a division look the same, so the manner of the ad hoc equipment they carry must still have some consistant-friendly appearance, or the visual result would be unpleasing.

Ikko Ikki
-The Ikko Ikki were really organized then your units with complete and good armours are great. Will they have a pseudo Sashimo with the Amida pray ?

This has been previously suggested, and I agree that it would be a neat touch. I will consult Prometheus on the matter.

The partisans from previous leaders
- Will they be portrayed with normal samurais ?

Normal samurais means samurais without sashimo or with ex-leader sashimo with a symbol added (like the symbol of the horde units in BI) ?

I dont really know about this. I haven't played BI so I dont know how this works.

Peasants
- Your peasants unit with bamboo sticks is great, keep it ! Will they be another kind of peasants ?

Possibly. Peasants with kama yari have been discussed, and noone have had any greater objections. They will however have the same basic appearance as the other peasants, unless Prometheus would happen to feel extra creative. :wink:

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Patience is a virtue.

[Winkelried]

How will the peasants who haven't any armours deal with the ranged units ? Will they throw rocks (like modern rioters) ?

[Winkelried]

I write that here because it's about rebellions. Don't you feel that fighting peasants during a city revolt is "odd" ?

It would be great if

- peasant revolts occur for famine, agricultural reforms or taxes
- citizens revolts occur for city or religion problems

idea for city rioters

rich : http://www.samurai-collectibles.com/008.jpg
(poor : as peasant but without hats)

Ps http://www.planetquake.com/polycount...portfolio.html

I stop advices it will make the mod never finish

PS Perhaps the last one : Will it be non armoured samurais ? (if for example the enemy assault your last city)

[TomteOfDoom]

I write that here because it's about rebellions. Don't you feel that fighting peasants during a city revolt is "odd" ?

It would be great if

- peasant revolts occur for famine, agricultural reforms or taxes
- citizens revolts occur for city or religion problems

idea for city rioters

rich : http://www.samurai-collectibles.com/008.jpg
(poor : as peasant but without hats)

This is a minor detail, so it will have to slip.

PS Perhaps the last one : Will it be non armoured samurais ? (if for example the enemy assault your last city)

No.

I stop advices it will make the mod never finish

Feedback is always welcome. I enjoyed the teppô links you put here.

[Winkelried]

Thanks TomteofDome sensei

I just edited my last post in internet ressources hope it's useful

[TomteOfDoom]

Winkleried:

They will either run towards or away from the enemy to deal with that. Which one is more likely, thats hard to tell. :wink:

Please, it's spelt repertoire.

Zenith, I'm glad you care about our spelling and want to improve it, but again, use PM.

Btw, it's spelled repetoar in swedish, I was somehow pretty sure it was spelled the same way in english since the pronounciation is exactly the same.