Why would a God exist?

[(s)AINT]

Never mind if such a being ACTUALLY exists - let us discuss:

1) Why humans want there to be a god(s)
2) Why theists want there to be such a being
3) Why believing in such a being would make one more moral, ethical and humane than the nonbeliever
and
4) How come there isn't a social and cultural debate about these questions, the debate is weather a god(s) exist.

[Squiggle]

Umm....because 1 2 3 are both self evident and irrelevant, if God is true you follow the indications of that and if he isnt, you follow the indications of that. Non thread designed for atheists to whine about theists being self deluded cowards. Man has this forum gone to the dogs.

[cenkiss]

Umm....because 1 2 3 are both self evident and irrelevant, if God is true you follow the indications of that and if he isnt, you follow the indications of that. Non thread designed for atheists to whine about theists being self deluded cowards. Man has this forum gone to the dogs.

What is wrong about his questions?

[(s)AINT]

Umm....because 1 2 3 are both self evident and irrelevant, if God is true you follow the indications of that and if he isnt, you follow the indications of that. Non thread designed for atheists to whine about theists being self deluded cowards. Man has this forum gone to the dogs.

If they're self evident then you should have no problems answering them.

[Squiggle]

If they're self evident then you should have no problems answering them.

1) Gives existential meaning to ones life, objective purpose, accountability, community, hope etc. Self evident, required no explanation unless your a hermit who's never talked to anyone before.

2) Same question as 1

3) Objective source of morality and purpose, accountability, community etc.

Insults removed.

[Squiggle]

Morality is NOT confined to just religion. You THINK it does but that's entirely incorrect. Many more people are influenced by the society in which they grew up in rather than religious conviction (which, actually, can be societal as well if you were never given the chance to explore other options).

I said objective source of morality, perhaps you'd like to google such a large and complex word before you assert the contrary. Or, given that an assertion that Atheism can produce an objective source of morality is a claim of knowledge, prove that claim.

[Theseus1234]

I said objective source of morality, perhaps you'd like to google such a large and complex word before you assert the contrary. Or, given that an assertion that Atheism can produce an objective source of morality is a claim of knowledge, prove that claim.

Biblical morality is NOT objective. It is the morality of the people who wrote it 2000 years ago. Therefore, it's subjective.

[basics]

" If they're self evident then you should have no problems answering them. "

Yezhov,

If I can answer the last one first I think you'ld agree that history shows that religion has not always made man moral. As for the first two, the Bible tells us that man knew there was a God but because of the fall, he, man turned Him into what man's fallen imagination brought to the surface. In other words he, man, made up his own gods.

The question then being why would he, man, want gods at all is so obvious in that them who create such things have power which leads to incalculable benefits with the same. It is written that even despite the fall, God retained the smallest morsel of knowledge of Him, in every person who is born so one can assume that this plays its part on any outcome. So having been turned over to the lusts of their own hearts we got what man himself projected.

[Gordon Freynman]

1) Why humans want there to be a god(s)

They want to feel like -something- is looking after them.

2) Why theists want there to be such a being

Because it would legitimize their religion obviously.

3) Why believing in such a being would make one more moral, ethical and humane than the nonbeliever

It doesn't, but some believers like to think it does due to their superiority complexes.

[Theseus1234]

Never mind if such a being ACTUALLY exists - let us discuss:

1) Why humans want there to be a god(s)

It's my belief it's an archaic explanation of the world and how it works gone on for far too long. Basically, it's a substitute for science, social conduct, and law before any of things were really built upon (except social conduct. That sort of just "is")

2) Why theists want there to be such a being

Belief and conviction outweigh rationality, unfortunately.

4) How come there isn't a social and cultural debate about these questions, the debate is weather a god(s) exist.

There are debates, but they are generally taboo for some reason.

[(s)AINT]

Then do yourself a favor and refrain from posting if you think this thread is nonsense.

[Vir Triumphalis]

Because some people cling to their false-beliefs.

[Squiggle]

Then do yourself a favor and refrain from posting if you think this thread is nonsense.

No.

[(s)AINT]

No.

Great explanation.

[Squiggle]

Great explanation.

Uhh wtf? That wasnt an explanation because there was no question, it was a response to a request. Masterful understanding of the English language Yezhov.

[(s)AINT]

Uhh wtf? That wasnt an explanation because there was no question, it was a response to a request. Masterful understanding of the English language Yezhov.

It wasn't a request - it was a comment. But you're doing a good job at derailing this thread I'll give you that.

[maerd2003]

why would morality exists then?
what is the point of being good? why one shoulnt kill anyone or enything as long as it is for own good, and as long as you dont receive any penalty from it. why wouldnt you steal as long as no-one knows/no risk exists?there are so many bad things you can do without broking the laws, why wouldnt do? why would protect the weak? you know, laws of nature!(we are just animal with a civilization, right! those rules still applies. strong devours the weak...)

[grinder]

why would morality exists then?
what is the point of being good? why one shoulnt kill anyone or enything as long as it is for own good, and as long as you dont receive any penalty from it. why wouldnt you steal as long as no-one knows/no risk exists?there are so many bad things you can do without broking the laws, why wouldnt do? why would protect the weak? you know, laws of nature!(we are just animal with a civilization, right! those rules still applies. strong devours the weak...)

If the only thing, stopping you going on a murder rampage, is your fear for divine retribution, you should, perhaps, consider getting professional help.
You talk as if non-believers are without morals, which is, obviously, not the case.

[maerd2003]

If the only thing, stopping you going on a murder rampage, is your fear for divine retribution, you should, perhaps, consider getting professional help.
You talk as if non-believers are without morals, which is, obviously, not the case.

what makes me stop murdering-stealing or any-other evil deeds, is the sense of mercy or matter of inner conscience. (which is in my faith, transmitted to me (my soul) from the god himself (-god(most merciful) give from his soul- said in (15:29))

i am just pointed out, when assuming the god doesnt exist, that morality is just invented, but why? please tell me what is the point of being merciful?(and tell me without blaming me for being psychopath , ad-hominem rules) why dont you kill an innocent man(or anything bad), if you gain 1 million dollars from it? (there might be merciless of course, which would do it for much less, or for nothing.)
i dont say non-beleivers are without morals, they indeed do have. but i just couldn't find the point of showing mercy by just looking at the science.

[Helm]

but i just couldn't find the point of showing mercy by just looking at the science.

You won't find the point of showing mercy by just looking at something that doesn't exist either. Or at any rate we don't actually know for sure whether it exists or not, faith wouldn't be necessary otherwise.