Spawning Additional Units Submod (SAUS) v1.4.2 (25-Sep) [3.2 compatible]

[Withwnar]

Thank you Chainsaw, that is helpful. It seems to confirm that something is up with MOS in this. I just double-checked vanilla SAUS (in TATW 3.2) and it works correctly so something has gone wrong somewhere in MOS.

My guess is that either Amon Sul has been made a city instead of a castle or it no longer has that info_Weather-Hills book building. It could be something else, of course, but that's where I would start looking (if I had MOS). Perhaps somebody could post a MOS 1.3 descr_strat.txt (from data\world\maps\campaign\imperial_campaign)?

By the way, the building browser shows nothing for the Lodge but once the counter has been set (after Lodge built and past turn 30) then the Forge should appear in both the browser and (after Bowyer built) the construction tab...

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[kraxmause]

No Forge in the building browser for me, either.

[Ngugi]

@ chainsaw'
Thanks for input

@ krazmause
It's not supposed to be in descr_strat, as it should appear trough a a script

@ With'
Will do som testing this eve and look around the files, Amon Sûl shouldn't been edited either but perhaps I can spot something

[Withwnar]

It's not supposed to be in descr_strat, as it should appear trough a a script

I asked for it.

Hmm, that looks fine too. Okay, I'm officially out of ideas.

Ngugi, if you or anybody else wants to test MOS then these changes will avoid the turn 30 wait...

In campaign_script.txt search for this part...

	if I_LocalFaction turks
		and I_TurnNumber >= 29
		and I_EventCounter saus_er_lodge_amon_built = 1
		and I_SettlementOwner Weather-Hills = turks

...and change to something like...

	if I_LocalFaction turks
		and I_TurnNumber >= 3
		and I_EventCounter saus_er_lodge_amon_built = 1
		and I_SettlementOwner Weather-Hills = turks

That will make the forge available from turn 4.

Then this...

	;time to spawn 1st unit? (turn 16)
	if I_TurnNumber >= 15	
		and I_CompareCounter saus_er_spawned_1 == 0

...to...

	;time to spawn 1st unit? (turn 16)
	if I_TurnNumber >= 1	
		and I_CompareCounter saus_er_spawned_1 == 0

...will spawn the first ER unit in turn 2, so the Lodge can be built.

As a workaround for campaigns already under way you can disband your non-Ap units then do this in the console...

create_unit Weather-Hills saus_er_Elven_Rangers_AP 1 0 0 0

...to spawn one unit of AP ERs at Amon Sul. Repeat for another unit.

[Ngugi]

You did ha?

Already planned to change those, 3 is indeed better than 29 etc
Thanks for pointing all steps out

[Withwnar]

I saw this in the MOS thread:

A question to all Eriador players from Withwnar: Are you able to build the Elven Arrow Forge in Amon Sûl (the building that upgrades the Elven Rangers to become armor piercing)?

No, I think this was removed when RR/RC was added. Would have to check with Trailhog250 to be sure.

If it's true then I can understand the reason (AP upsetting RR/RC balance) but I can't see any sign of it being removed from those files that have been posted here. Maybe I'm missing something.

I'll ask Trailhog...

[Chainsaw Schmalz]

That seems possible, though a pity - I was hoping to have AP rangers go for the eyes, boo! on the various trolls and general's bodyguards of my orcish opponents.

In any case, here are my EDB, etc files for comparison if it turns out this was not intended.

[kraxmause]

That seems possible, though a pity - I was hoping to have AP rangers go for the eyes, boo! on the various trolls and general's bodyguards of my orcish opponents.

You have the Dunedain Beastslayers for that.
What's pretty strange is that in custom battles only the AP Elven Rangers are available (both as a normal and Tôl Acharn unit). So the forge was removed but the unit wasn't?

[Withwnar]

According to Trailhog it has not been removed in MOS. Meanwhile I have a theory of the cause. Could somebody test it in MOS 1.3?

1) Make a backup copy of your campaign_script.txt ({MOS}\data\world\maps\campaign\imperial_campaign)
2) Unzip the attachment somewhere
3) Take campaign_script.txt from the test1 folder and put it in that imperial_campaign folder
4) Start a new Eriador campaign
5) Amon Sul will be yours and have a Bowyer already built
6) End turn
7) ERs should arrive: put them in Amon Sul and end turn
8) Lodge built
9) Message should appear about Forge being available (might need to end turn again first)

Actually, I don't think step 9) will happen. So, repeat from step 3) but this time use campaign_script.txt from the test2 folder.

Fingers crossed: hopefully step 9) will happen now.

After testing put back the original campaign_script.txt (your backup copy).

If that second test does work then it confirms my suspicions: in MOS, for some bizarre reason, historic events only work via "historic_event" and not "event historic". Ngugi found this when porting DCI into MOS. If this is the reason then I suspect that a lot of other SAUS things aren't working in MOS (26 historic events) though it might just be an absence of event messages rather than breaking anything.

P.S. Thanks for the files Chainsaw. I don't know if they were different to ones I was already given but better safe than sorry.

EDIT:

What's pretty strange is that in custom battles only the AP Elven Rangers are available (both as a normal and Tôl Acharn unit). So the forge was removed but the unit wasn't?

The MOS team probably just removed the non-AP one from custom battles. The AP unit is definitely in the game, just something is up with the Forge.

[kraxmause]

Tested it and the second campaign script works. Good work!

[Withwnar]

That was fast. Excellent, thanks for letting me know.

Alrighty. Then I strongly expect that 26 SAUS messages are not firing, including many of the Glittering Caves ones. Aargh! All that time making event pics and nobody can see them (in MOS).

I'll let the MOS guys know (Trailhog) and give them an update. It won't be save game compatible.

If you wish to manually replace your non-AP units with AP ones then see the bottom of post 144.

[Withwnar]

I found the problem. It doesn't work in MOS for two reasons:

1) There is a problem with some SAUS historic events due to MOS's 12 turns per year (12tpy). This still needs resolving.
2) There is an error in EDB where it is using the wrong event_counter. If the historic events were working then this also would work (i.e. in vanilla TATW and older versions of MOS that do not use 12tpy).

i.e. 2) is a problem only if 1) is a problem.

Therefore, to make the Arrow Forge available in a 12tpy MOS (1.3 ... others?) go into {MOS}\data\export_descr_buildings.txt, find this line...

saus_er_forge_castle castle requires factions { turks, slave, } and event_counter saus_er_forge_avail 1 and building_present_min_level hinterland_info_building3 info_Weather-Hills and building_present_min_level saus_lodge saus_lodge_er and building_present_min_level missiles bowyer

...and change to...

saus_er_forge_castle castle requires factions { turks, slave, } and event_counter saus_er_forge_available 1 and building_present_min_level hinterland_info_building3 info_Weather-Hills and building_present_min_level saus_lodge saus_lodge_er and building_present_min_level missiles bowyer

NOTE: it won't fix the problem of some messages not appearing. e.g. Notification that the Forge is now available.

~~~

While you're there you may as well fix another bug. This applies to all SAUS players, not just MOS: Elven Rangers are not retrainable in the Arrow Forge, only the Lodge.

        saus_lodge_er castle requires factions { turks, slave, }  and hidden_resource hr_none 
        {
            capability
            {
              recruit_pool "saus_er_Elven_Rangers"  0   0.111   0.999  0  requires factions { turks, } 
              recruit_pool "saus_er_Elven_Rangers_AP"  0   0.111   0.999  0  requires factions { turks, } 
            }
            material wooden
            construction 1 
            cost 0 
            settlement_min village
            upgrades
            {
		saus_er_forge_castle              
            }
        }
        saus_er_forge_castle castle requires factions { turks, slave, } and event_counter saus_er_forge_available 1 and building_present_min_level hinterland_info_building3 info_Weather-Hills and building_present_min_level saus_lodge saus_lodge_er and building_present_min_level missiles bowyer        
        {
            capability
            {
              recruit_pool "saus_er_Elven_Rangers"  0   0.111   0.999  0  requires factions { turks, } 
              recruit_pool "saus_er_Elven_Rangers_AP"  0   0.111   0.999  0  requires factions { turks, } 
            }
            material wooden
            construction 3 
            cost 1200 
            settlement_min village
            upgrades
            {
		saus_lodge_dd
            }
        }

You need to insert the red lines: you can just copy the blue ones.

Both fixes are save game compatible.

[Brune]

Thanks! Your features are essential in Mos to my mind.

[MIKE GOLF]

Very good fix Withnar. Thank you.

[Withwnar]

You're welcome.

Thanks! Your features are essential in Mos to my mind.

Good to hear that SAUS is being used and enjoyed.

[Withwnar]

Post 2 has been updated with further info and screenshots regarding the Pilgrimage Escort.

[Mhaedros]

Very nice work I might have to get this now... +rep

[Withwnar]

Thanks Mhaedros. Yeah, the original post didn't really do this feature justice.

I have been using it myself in my Rohan campaign. While it becomes "easy money" later in the game when the evil factions have been eradicated from the north (and Isengard too) there have been some scary moments before then: e.g. trying to get the escort past Mordor armies that are lurking in the Anduin Vale.

Plus Military Access is a must-have. Relations plummet when you're marching this one-unit army through friendly regions.

[Withwnar]

v1.4.2 released. Bug fix: see the Change Log for details.

When MOS is updated to this version then the historic event messages will work. This in turn means that the Forge will work.

Attention modders: it turns out that "add_events ... event historic" does not work with 12 turns per year as discussed here, at least not with the "standard" timescale of 0.085. However, it seems that it might work with a timescale of 0.083.

[Ngugi]

Attention modders: it turns out that "add_events ... event historic" does not work with 12 turns per year as discussed here, at least not with the "standard" timescale of 0.085. However, it seems that it might work with a timescale of 0.083.

But of course. Bloody engine... xD