Perhaps some clarity for DX9 users and the lack of anti-aliasing in Shogun 2.

[Oberbefehlshaber]

With the statement released about you needing to have at least shader model 4.1 to have MSAA x2, x4, and x8 in Shogun 2 has caused some worry in Dx9 users (shader model 3.0). Dx9 users are worried if they will have any AA whatsoever in Shogun 2. I might be able to help with that. In terms of anti-aliasing, (AA vs MSAA) MSAA is better than AA because it will remove the aliasing of the entire picture no matter what is in it. MSAA and AA (or FSAA) are not the same thing. AA will only remove aliasing from 3D objects in the picture. So, for example, the 2D grass in Napoleon was super smooth with MSAA but still jaggy with AA. So I believe that AA will still be available for XP users, but maybe CA will help us with this.

Edit:

There is no AA until the patch from CA about a month from now and that is only if your graphics card supports DX10.1 or DX11. There will be no AA for DX9 users.

This is an old thread of mine.

[ronchas]

agree

[Maizel]

I would just safe myself some rage later and assume AA won;t be in DX9 mode, unless CA comments otherwise.

This way there will be no nasty surprises, and if AA happens to be there for DX9, that'll be but a plus.

[Oberbefehlshaber]

I would just safe myself some rage later and assume AA won;t be in DX9 mode, unless CA comments otherwise.

This way there will be no nasty surprises, and if AA happens to be there for DX9, that'll be but a plus.

Thats a safe assumption. I just dont want people getting all worked up and canceling their pre-orders for something that is not comfirmed yet.

[Achilla]

AA is a resource hog. If you don't have a strong DX11 card, your FPS will die with AA on, regardless of other details. In practice, it matters very little whether you can have AA in DX9 mode setting.

[Maizel]

AA is a resource hog. If you don't have a strong DX11 card, your FPS will die with AA on, regardless of other details. In practice, it matters very little whether you can have AA in DX9 mode setting.

Could you elaborate? I'm not sure what you mean.

[Achilla]

Could you elaborate? I'm not sure what you mean.

- decent DX11 card outperforms anything DX10/9-based out there
- DX9 compatibility mode uses only 2 CPU cores, DX11 scales past that
- DX11 provides tessellation and other performance-boosting techniques
- the game doesn't run exceptionally fast on older machines, stuck in the DX10/9 range

Logical conclusion is that a high-end computer will provide better visuals and better performance in DX11 mode, thus making DX9 backwards-compatibility useless in terms of gaining more FPS. Another conclusion is that a PC stuck in the DX10/9 range will struggle with the game overall, and turning on AA would reduce the FPS very drastically, probably making the game unplayable in bigger engagements. On the other hand, high-end computer with decent DX11 card and over 2 cores might be able to tackle on AA on top of other details, without game-breaking FPS drop.

Therefore, what does it matter for people with lower machines whether they can have AA in DX9 mode, if they probably wouldn't be able to play with AA in the first place at a playable frame rate? Are you arguing it's such a loss that person stuck on DX9 compatibility mode can't run a slideshow with AA on, for whatever masochistic reason? You know, that's like arguing Ferrari isn't fast enough, even if you can't actually afford it. Why complain about something you'll make no real use of? Why complain based on principle?

[Choki]

I going to install W 7 whit Dx11 just for Shogun 2. And 64 Bits

[Dragooon]

I going to install W 7 whit Dx11 just for Shogun 2. And 64 Bits

You also need a DX11 card for DX11 to be enabled.

[Choki]

You also need a DX11 card for DX11 to be enabled.

a Geforce 250 1 GB work?

[D|major]

a Geforce 250 1 GB work?

Geforce GTS 250 supports DirectX 10 only.

[Choki]

Geforce GTS 250 supports DirectX 10 only.

Thanks. a day in technology is a year in life.

[dzoulias]

I going to install W 7 whit Dx11 just for Shogun 2. And 64 Bits

Please check to see if your GFX card supports DirectX 11. Otherwise apart from much more efficient memory usage and management it would not do anything more for you as far as Shogun 2 is concerned.

There are people here (albeit few) who think that if they install DirectX 11 then in a month everything will be solved not seeming to realise or know that the GFX card must also support it.

And to all those people, do not perceive the above as an insult (not everybody is techically inclined), but just as a friendly advice.

EDIT: Also (it is not apparent from the posts in this thread) please differentiate between DirectX 10 and 10.1. Two different beasts. 9 and 10 will not have AA period. 10.1 and 11 will.

[Black_Rider]

Really, CA should gives comment about this situation.

[Black_Rider]

Hm, I think that my old good geforce 285 GTX may manage Shogun 2 with AA on DX9.

[Turbo]

I have a DX11 card but am using Win XP. Am I correct in assuming that XP doesn't support DX11?

[Maizel]

I have a DX11 card but am using Win XP. Am I correct in assuming that XP doesn't support DX11?

Correct. It only supports DX9.

[DougyM]

decent DX11 card outperforms anything DX10/9-based out there

GTX 295 is still like for like in raw FPS as pretty much the whole 400 series.

The one thing keeping me from upgrading to DX11.

Until Battlefield 3 that is.

[Caelifer_1991]

As far as I know you need to go to the 400 series and above for DX11, in terms of nvidia cards. 200 series is limited to DX10, and I don't know which ones support 10.1, maybe the higher end 200 series, my 260GTX is limited to DX10 though.

[frank_garrett]

i dont care if the game is a little jaggy but certainly not like the demo. that is super ultra jaggy. and really unplayble.

most games dosent haven need AA. CA scrwed this game up good