Will the button be pushed...

[Roman-Warrior]

Im sitting here right now watching Iranian talking of how they will not be bullied on their trip to making the bomb, and folks its looking scary. For over 40 years now we have been fighting hard to keeping man from killing mankind, and after the soviets fell I definately felt releived, but now as North Korea and Iran are developing weapons, its looking grim.

Truth be told, the USA, British, and almost any other Euro allied nation could stop North Korea or Iran no problem, but those cowards are making threats with missles instead of talking of how to keep the world alive. They dont care, as far as their religion go's they will be honored and what not for destroying the world, so they could care less. But folks we dont need to let religion decide if were all going to go out from nuclear weapons.

SO all in all my question to you, is over the next couple of years do you think the clock will strike 12 ( nuclear war ), or will we get lucky and be able to pull through with diplomacy. Honestly I would like do die of natural causes and not turned to dust.

- Wes

[Hub'ite]

Don't let Iran or N.Korea get nukes. Its real simple. Diplomacy can only work to an extent.

[Roman-Warrior]

But see heres the deal, a war with Iran to stop the nuclear crap might not be so complicated. BUT when it comes to korea, they have China on their back, and China has the biggest population in the world. So I doubt china would not support the koreans, they did it in the Korean war and their not that much different then they are today ( other that nuclear weapons ).

If only these countrys would realise that being ruled by one idiot is a bad idea, it never works. The Romans themselves are a HUGE example, with the emperor idea an idiot was soon to come, and sooner or later came the idiots. Well folks last time I checked the Romans dont even exist anymore because of their mistakes.

Another reason why every person should get an education. Having an extreme love for your god ( or animal, or whatever ) is not gonna cut it.

Wes

[RZZZA]

See how much trouble religion causes? Ive been saying it for years and years...suffering and strife is religions calling card, salvation and happiness are just the hooks to make the sale. Leave it to religious beliefs to destroy the world

I think this is pretty exxagerated though, Kim Jun-Il needs a spanking for sure but imo, he's the only real problem. After he's gone do you think the N. koreans will be a threat to us anymore? Even with a bomb?

Iran is more complicated, I dunno, there isnt one person I can villify in Iran.

[trackjacket]

See how much trouble religion causes? Ive been saying it for years and years...suffering and strife is religions calling card, salvation and happiness are just the hooks to make the sale. Leave it to religious beliefs to destroy the world

I think this is pretty exxagerated though, Kim Jun-Il needs a spanking for sure but imo, he's the only real problem. After he's gone do you think the N. koreans will be a threat to us anymore? Even with a bomb?

Iran is more complicated, I dunno, there isnt one person I can villify in Iran.

NK would be a threat to South Korea, Seoul's only something like 15 miles from the DMZ border. NK won't need an A-bomb to destroy Seoul, just to pull the trigger on their buildup of artillery.

[Erik]

After he's gone do you think the N. koreans will be a threat to us anymore? Even with a bomb?

With all those brainwashed people? maybe.

But then I seriously doubt they have the bomb.
They SAY they do, but they say so many things.

Iran is more complicated, I dunno, there isnt one person I can villify in Iran.

Iran is complicated, but the younger generation gives a lot of hope.
If the West plays nice with Iran for 10 years I think there wil be a (positive) revolution.
But as long as Iranians have reasons to hate us they wil support their hard-line government, and not turn against eachother.

You know whats kind of funny, Im pretty sure I heard on history channel that the japanese had THE STRONGEST Navy currently, they have alot of good modern ships. I could have been wrong but that really reasures me, if North Korea picks on South Korea, then South Korea, The Japanese, The US, and a bunch of other allied nations pick on North korea.

You mean the strongest navy after the US?

So heres the deal, North Korea could not beat us, and I think they even know that. But to prove a point they want to start a mass genocide against mankind.

Wes

Of course NK can't beat you.
They can't even beat South Korea.
They can't even beat Luxenbourg (I'm sure).
They are nothing.

NK would be a threat to South Korea, Seoul's only something like 15 miles from the DMZ border. NK won't need an A-bomb to destroy Seoul, just to pull the trigger on their buildup of artillery.

Yeah, and two days later they wil be wiped off the map by the US.

[Semper_Crecis]

If only these countrys would realise that being ruled by one idiot is a bad idea, it never works. The Romans themselves are a HUGE example, with the emperor idea an idiot was soon to come, and sooner or later came the idiots. Well folks last time I checked the Romans dont even exist anymore because of their mistakes.
Wes

Well, Iran et al. are not the only nations being ruled soley by an idiot. The American system ("Democracy", in which the people supposedly choose a leader), like the Roman system (Absolute monarchy - no choice of ruler) has seen the rise of an awesomely powerful, gung-ho idiot, and due to the imbalance of power inherent to the American democracy, he can do what the hell he likes.

[Roman-Warrior]

Well, Iran et al. are not the only nations being ruled soley by an idiot. The American system ("Democracy", in which the people supposedly choose a leader), like the Roman system (Absolute monarchy - no choice of ruler) has seen the rise of an awesomely powerful, gung-ho idiot, and due to the imbalance of power inherent to the American democracy, he can do what the hell he likes.

Ummmm no, no he can't.

Bush can only do what congress and the senate alows him to do. Before the war he was given permision to invade Iraq ( and I beleive at THE TIME the democrats had most of congress, ergo it wasn't just given to him ). If he declared war on Britain ( just using an example, bare with me ) then the congress would go " You insane, not gonna happen " and would probably cast some votes to get him kicked out.

And you thinking he's a gung-ho whatever is as far as your opinion mate. If you have listened to the latest State of the Union you might know that he gave a pretty good speech on where we were heading.

As for you solar here is my opinion on that subject. Americans were irratataed for Pearl Harbor ( the whole sneak atack thing ) so that was part of the reason. But I think most of the reason is because we did not want to go there and have to fight EVERY civilian to the last. I hate those people died in Hiro and Nag, but honestly I think a whole lot more would have died if we would have invaded.

Wes

[Erik]

You have nothing to fear but fear itself.

[mike^_^]

Im sitting here right now watching Iranian talking of how they will not be bullied on their trip to making the bomb, and folks its looking scary. For over 40 years now we have been fighting hard to keeping man from killing mankind, and after the soviets fell I definately felt releived, but now as North Korea and Iran are developing weapons, its looking grim.

Truth be told, the USA, British, and almost any other Euro allied nation could stop North Korea or Iran no problem, but those cowards are making threats with missles instead of talking of how to keep the world alive. They dont care, as far as their religion go's they will be honored and what not for destroying the world, so they could care less. But folks we dont need to let religion decide if were all going to go out from nuclear weapons.

SO all in all my question to you, is over the next couple of years do you think the clock will strike 12 ( nuclear war ), or will we get lucky and be able to pull through with diplomacy. Honestly I would like do die of natural causes and not turned to dust.

- Wes

north korea already has them, thanks to our government, they have even tested missles that can hit the U.S !! (Taep'o-dong 2) but no, we just really need to invade Iran and Syria and get the terrorist!

*edit - just a note, on that link to taepodong2, it says "as of late 1999" north korea hasn't tested this missle. well they have now, and infact a piece of it hit Alaska!

maybe we should look at who is actually arming our enemies?





more and more it seems this deal with Iran is being used to legitimise the U.N having total control over what sovereign nations can research and produce in technology. global government.

cheney and rumsfeld openly discuss the nuclear option against Iran. anyone else find it ironic that the U.S. government, the nation with the most nuclear weapons on the earth, are bullying Iran and threatening them with nukes? yeah the Iranian government has also made similar threats, but they simply can't act on them. the U.S. could literally wipe them off the map with a percentage of our nuclear payload. let's be honest, Iran is probably trying to get a nuke yes, but this isn't going to happen over-night. you get the perception from the media that Iran is creeping around in the dark conspiring trying to make an a-bomb so they can nuke Dallas! most conservative estimates put Iran at 5-10 years before they can go "nuclear". it's a situation that is contained

[trackjacket]

I doubt China would support China, hopefully their social sector will progress like their changing economy. :p

[Roman-Warrior]

You know whats kind of funny, Im pretty sure I heard on history channel that the japanese had THE STRONGEST Navy currently, they have alot of good modern ships. I could have been wrong but that really reasures me, if North Korea picks on South Korea, then South Korea, The Japanese, The US, and a bunch of other allied nations pick on North korea.

So heres the deal, North Korea could not beat us, and I think they even know that. But to prove a point they want to start a mass genocide against mankind.

Wes

[Sheep]

So heres the deal, North Korea could not beat us, and I think they even know that. But to prove a point they want to start a mass genocide against mankind.

I could be wrong, andI know he's not all there, but I'm just not sure if Kim Jong Il would have himself and his country vaporized to "prove a point".

[Custor]

This a thread about India and Pakistan? Two actual countires with actual 'bombs' who actually don't like each other very much?

No.

Big bad Iran thats invaded....erm no one...who've not got the bomb, or a bomb developmet programme...but they did depose the Shar, that'll do.

Glad you got your priorities right in YET another daft thread.

[hsimoorb]

Maybe I should float the idea that we don't particularly care about india and pakistan nuking each other? Worst case senario we get our high tech jobs back from india and there no goverment left in pakistan left to protest our bombing thier country in order to get at suspected terrorists. Better yet, there are less civilians around for our "smart" bombs to "accidentaly" hit! Win for eveyone!

IMO we care more about Iran because it seem far more likely that they'd use one against us.

north korea already has them, thanks to our government, they have even tested missles that can hit the U.S !! (Taep'o-dong 2) but no, we just really need to invade Iran and Syria and get the terrorist!

I pretty much agree.

Edit: I should add "will the button be pushed?"-No. We don't need to. Most likely before Iran gets a working nuke(or even if they do) our response will come as a steath bomber droping a 2 ton bomb on wherever the thing is being held. If we wanted to go for the big effect we'd use a MOAB, Massive Ordanance Air Burst if you've never heard of it. More appropriately titles "Mother of all Bombs".
http://www.asei-fl.com/moab.htm

It was designed as a replacement to the "daisy cutter", which was designed to clear landing zones for Airmoble regiments in Vietnam. It's got a 1 mile blast radius, and Bush has been hankering to try it out. You just know he is.

[Roman-Warrior]

This a thread about India and Pakistan? Two actual countires with actual 'bombs' who actually don't like each other very much?

No.

Big bad Iran thats invaded....erm no one...who've not got the bomb, or a bomb developmet programme...but they did depose the Shar, that'll do.

Glad you got your priorities right in YET another daft thread.

Well I guess your reading glasses exploded when I also included North Korea. When I talked of Iran I was just inlcuding one more country gaining the nuke, but what say you about North Korea? You talk of development programme ( guess you made that one up ) but I dont see you talking politics.

The point here is we are talking of if Korea and countrys like Iran will be dumb enough to launch the nuke and possibly ruin mankind. Dont need you trying to sound smart and spamming on the forrum. And I dont think much posting go's on in a " Daft " thread.

-Wes

[Custor]

We? You speak for more than yourself or is it an attempt to make yourself feel better if you feel that your view point is widely held?
Change your name to 'plural'.

Strange the interest in a country half way around the world. Either someones foreign policy is run by Zionists or black gold is involved.

[Custor]

I guess you ignore India and Pakistan - countries that have the nuke and like fighting each other.
Iran is dumb enough to attack who? They've managed to not attack anyone, unlike our favourite western nations. The only thing dumb is is the mindless fear repeated by cattle.

Tabloids have the highest circulation.

[rez]

"Maybe I should float the idea that we don't particularly care about india and pakistan nuking each other? Worst case senario we get our high tech jobs back from india and there no goverment left in pakistan left to protest our bombing thier country in order to get at suspected terrorists. Better yet, there are less civilians around for our "smart" bombs to "accidentaly" hit! Win for eveyone!" - hsimoorb

You are kidding, please oh god don't tell me you mean that. You can't seriously believe the WORST thing that could happen is more jobs for the U.S. and less people to complain about the U.S? Thats monstrous, how about all those people happily trying to get through life with no interest in war being wiped off the map thanks to nuclear war? You don't feel any compassion for them? And i have to say it seems you don't care about those dead lives because they wouldnt be American. God i hope you were joking

Erik is right about the Iranian youth - when the older generation of conservatives dies out the youth will be free to revolutionize Iran and set democracy in place.

You don't really need to invade Iran - that will just unite the population against the interventions of the U.S. Again and make matters far far worse. Especially after the war.

And i highly doubt either nations would fire a nuke unless they were invaded and ALSO mentally unstable

[Roman-Warrior]

Sence when have I ignored Either one of those 2, thats like saying I ignored the british just because they had nukes. Im simply saying that a new country with a moron is about to obtain the bomb. Now why you came in this post with an attitude being criticul to everybody in the topic is beyond me, but truth be told its people like you that come into post and get them CLOSED.

You want an example?

1: Person starts a post

2: Debaters come in and guess what they do, they debate

3: a good conversation continues

4: Some random person comes into the topic, has a period, and whines for the sake of whining

5: topic maker, debaters, and whiner all complain at each other

6: Topic is CLOSED by admin because to much fighting is going on

7: Possibly happens again in very next post

- Wes