First faction I'll play is - part II.

[Dark Fenrir]

Who will be the first from Barbarian factions you will start playing with and if you want write why.

[mike_D]

it would defo be thrace .... lol would probaly play them before any greek faction

[apostate]

thracians too

[spirit_of_rob]

Carthage because they are in a different field of combat yet still fighting over important locations, secondly coz of the bugger they are to design so someone has to use them!

[DEMETRIOUS II]

Etruscans! Why you ask? Well how about this? Axemen, Chariots, Hoplites, Swordsmen, Archers, Cavalry ...........

[Carach]

Etruscans! Why you ask? Well how about this? Axemen, Chariots, Hoplites, Swordsmen, Archers, Cavalry ...........

what demetrious said

[k_raso]

Etruscans too...

I need to try something different than those child-burner Carthagineans , or stinking Thracians or Illyrians. Already done that on RTR.

Playing as Persian? Definitively no (No offense).

[Uranos]

I need to try something different than those child-burner Carthagineans , .

We are talking about a great sacrifice, so we should respect them even more and their great love to their gods.


My first non greek faction will be Illyrian tribes, then the Etruscans and Carthaginians. I don't think i will play as Persians or Thracians.

[deadcell87]

Its only a theory that Carthage did child sacrifices. A lot of people and professors disagree on this theory. As for my answer its on the part 1 sction.

[k_raso]

Its only a theory that Carthage did child sacrifices. A lot of people and professors disagree on this theory.

I agree. Since most of the sources for the theory of Child sacrifices (Moloch) come from latin and greek authors, like Diodorus Siculus, Plutarch and Cleitarchus. But a more throrough study states that that theory comes not only from latin and greek chronists, but also from hebrew sources as well, incluiding the Bible and the 12th century rabbi Rashid.

It repeats in some passages of the Bible the phrase

"no man might make his son or his daughter pass through the fire lmlk" (lmlk= there is a discussion that lmkl means either a god named Moloch or just a particular mode of sacrifice) Jeremiah 32.35

"And you shall not let any of your seed pass through lmlk, neither shall you profane the name of your God: I am Yahweh." Leviticus 18.21

More recently, Otto Eissfeldt found inscriptions with the name "mlk", and he concluded that it doesn`t mean the name of a god, but only a form of sacrifice, one that incluides human sacrifices. A relief was found showing a priest holding a child...

He also found a grave dedicated to Tanit with thousands of burned carcases belonging to animals, and also many belonging to children from 0, mostly newborns, to some of 6 years of age.

But I agree with you that the theory of Sabatino Moscati is strong, but it`s arguments doesn`t convince me. Of all it`s arguments, the one that I find stronger is the one of Anti-Punic Propaganda... but again, it doesn`t convince me. I prefer to follow the classical theory.

See ya.

[ozz]

mmm...Carthage or Etruscans probably....

[deadcell87]

well i shall say that "phoenician lovers" come across with many theories in order to prove their beloved phoenicians as the best race around

Same I would say to any Hellen proving there ancetors to be the best too *cought*not*cough* :laughing: .

[apostate]

Same I would say to any Hellen proving there ancetors to be the best too *cought*not*cough* :laughing: .

so which exactly are those "theories" which "we" invent? ( i m looking forward to hearing to them)

[dragases1453]

I'll play with Etruscans, after Creteans and Spartans, because i live in italy and Etruscan were a great nation!

[Mylae]

I'll play with Etruscans, after Creteans and Spartans, because i live in italy and Etruscan were a great nation!

the same motive...


and also to destroy syracuse with etrurians! the vengeance of Cuma's naval battle will came with me ehehe :laughing:

[Atterdag]

Etruscans.

Because Etruria is really nice place

[Radier]

Voted etruscians because I shall unite Italy and then invade the evil Persia!

[Diomedes]

Carthage, because I want to make them an even greater power, so that when Rome comes against them will be crushed! Plus it would be great to command a nation that did not really have a standing army. It would jsut make it that much more harder.

[bestantreas]

I voted Thraceans because I think they were greeks too(as the Illirians I think). And I like their helmets.

[apostate]

I voted Thraceans because I think they were greeks too(as the Illirians I think). And I like their helmets.

no they were not...certainly NOT
....and better avoid bringing up that "who is who"....its against any sense to name thracians as "greeks" and its also harmfull in many ways (if u didnt understand why pm me)

i know that many several readings in greek leave the issue unclear and suggest that thracians esp of southern region had a mixing with greeks but that is rather stupid

*however i d love to play them in the game,they are fancy and colorful and with erratic warfare compared to both the greeks and the persians

I need to try something different than those child-burner Carthagineans

Cheers!
Long live Gelon!
Defendor of Sicily!
Victor of Himera!

Its only a theory that Carthage did child sacrifices. A lot of people and professors disagree on this theory. As for my answer its on the part 1 sction.

well i shall say that "phoenician lovers" come across with many theories in order to prove their beloved phoenicians as the best race around