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    Default Political Constructs and Demonstrating the Irrationality of them.

    You realize that when you say you are "Left Wing" or "Right Wing" or "Centre" you aren't actually ascribing to a political framework built up on reason. You are actually ascribing yourself to being a round peg to fit in a round hole and not to fit in a square hole; to being a social construct, and product of the system in which you live in.


    For example: Let us take Republicans and Democrats. Supposedly "Right Wing" and "Left Wing".

    How do you convince left wingers that Abortion (molecular infanticide) is "ok" and should be up to "choice" but capital punishment for child killers isn't "ok". How so? It's easy.

    Before I go on, I'd like to address those who do not think Abortion is molecular infanticide to refer to the logical fallacy of "line-drawing":

    Line-Drawing Fallacy: Insisting that a line must be drawn at some precise point when in fact it is not necessary that such a precise line be drawn.

    A 3 year old isn't less of human being because he is 3 years old. A zygote is not less of a human being. A sperm or egg is not a zygote. 2 month old zygote/fetus, is not less of human being simply because of its development.

    An acorn is a different life form, so it is not a comparable analogy.

    A skin cell is nothing like a zygote, don't compare those either.

    Anyway.

    This doesn't require a whole lot of logical arithmetic to illustrate that Left Wing and Right wing aren't based on reason.

    Pro-choice and anti-capital punishment are two conflicting social stances. It is ok to kill the unborn? But not those who were born and took the lives of others born? Huh?

    Its because Left and Right are made up social constructs nailed into your head by the media non-stop. You know the lines, you know the stances, but they are arbitrary and often void of logic. Yet many of you ascribe to a social construct, firmly believing you are following it because it makes perfect sense to you, and that you follow it because you are a rational and free-thinking individual.


    A republican example: Strong emphasis on Freedom of belief, yet ascribe a lot of importance to the religious dominion that the candidate belongs to.

    Intelligence in this world is bottled necked. It takes one who is a critical thinker to discern reality. Most of you are in denial about it. Calling me a Tin Hat conspiracy theorist makes sleeping at night easier. I don’t believe in anything, unless it has logical merit.

    Here is a slight summary of what a lot of threads on this board start off as:
    1st poster: “Here is a link and a summary to what my elitist owned socially manipulating news source says about something. I have rarely looked into the matter, but I will argue with anyone who disagrees to what my political construct dictates how I should feel about said news source”
    2nd poster: “Oh yea, well my political construct dictates something opposite to your political construct, and my elitist owned socially manipulating news source says something different about the matter!”
    Then proceeds a superfluous argument.
    What was accomplished? Nothing much.

    I don’t wish to bite off more than I can chew with this thread so I’ll make it short for tl;dr people.

    Chances are, you believe in a system of politics/economy that you actually know little about. Chances are that you are a parrot for political sources/people. Chances are that your view of the world around you is extremely rigid and not subject to scrutiny, interpretation, or flexibility.
    Glory to those who critically think, and never state a claim as preposterous without subjecting it to logical and rational scrutiny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Realpolitik View Post
    Chances are, you believe in a system of politics/economy that you actually know little about. Chances are that you are a parrot for political sources/people. Chances are that your view of the world around you is extremely rigid and not subject to scrutiny, interpretation, or flexibility.
    AFAIK everyone here hates labelling themselves "left" or "right" and despises polar politics.

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    Well, this is incoherent gibberish if I do say so myself. Incidentally, the line-drawing fallacy is also present in your comparison between a skin cell and a zygote. You arbitrarily say "They're completely different". Not completely. They both share vast similarities. Both, for example, have not achieved consciousness.
    Quote Originally Posted by Denny Crane! View Post
    How about we define the rights that allow a government to say that isn't within my freedom.

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    Default Re: Political Constructs and Demonstrating the Irrationality of them.

    Hey there Realpolitik.
    You are right in many ways in your description of the "full package" ideologies, but maybe 20-30 years too late. People today are much more individualistic with personal points of view.
    How do you convince left wingers that Abortion (molecular infanticide) is "ok" and should be up to "choice" but capital punishment for child killers isn't "ok". How so? It's easy.
    To that specifically: In my personal opinion, 1: society does not exist inside a womans uterus, and if she feels she needs to be assisted in committing murder in there it is up to her entirely. And 2: We don't want the quacks with knitting-pins back. As to capital punishment, you may have caught the wrong guy. You can pay compensation for unjust imprisonment if new evidence clears him but death is irreversible.
    Now does that make me subscribe to every leftish opinion - i don't think so.

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    Molecular infanticide? Wow, so you don't even know what a molecule is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrets54 View Post
    Molecular infanticide? Wow, so you don't even know what a molecule is?



    0/10. Troll harder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Realpolitik View Post


    0/10. Troll harder.
    Wait so you think that cells are molecules? Come on, what do you believe "molecular infanticide" is? It's not trolling to ask somebody to clarify dubious statements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrets54 View Post
    Wait so you think that cells are molecules? Come on, what do you believe "molecular infanticide" is? It's not trolling to ask somebody to clarify dubious statements.
    He does have a point.
    Quote Originally Posted by Denny Crane! View Post
    How about we define the rights that allow a government to say that isn't within my freedom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolling Thunder View Post
    He does have a point.
    Could you explain it to me?

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    Oh good god. A zygote is a molecule? That means killing a human is molecular murder.

    Thats the problem with you pinko liberals - and I can tell so don't deny it - hate babies, love murderers.

    Denny Crane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Denny Crane! View Post
    Oh good god. A zygote is a molecule? That means killing a human is molecular murder.

    Thats the problem with you pinko liberals - and I can tell so don't deny it - hate babies, love murderers.

    Denny Crane.
    The solution isn't less guns...it's more guns!
    Quote Originally Posted by Denny Crane! View Post
    How about we define the rights that allow a government to say that isn't within my freedom.

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    No political construct or ideology is or has ever been based on reason alone. Emotional and sub-intellectual factors are essential towards the shaping of minds according to dominant ideologies, and sometimes they make use of an unconscious bias tracing back to times immemorial.

    Thus, there is an ideal parallel between the individualism of the tribal Germanic peoples, the Magna Charta and the United States Constitution, while there's also an ideal parallel between the Slavonic mir and the Russian kolkhoz. Sometimes an idea is just not enough, no matter how convincing it might seem.
    "Romans not only easily conquered those who fought by cutting, but mocked them too. For the cut, even delivered with force, frequently does not kill, when the vital parts are protected by equipment and bone. On the contrary, a point brought to bear is fatal at two inches; for it is necessary that whatever vital parts it penetrates, it is immersed. Next, when a cut is delivered, the right arm and flank are exposed. However, the point is delivered with the cover of the body and wounds the enemy before he sees it."

    - Flavius Vegetius Renatus (in Epitoma Rei Militari, ca. 390)

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