Most "Hardy" faction ?

[DienerNox]

Hey

This is just a doubt.
Which faction is the most "Hardy" in his units? (Putting apart the Byzantine Empire)
My Gameplay is based on that, I suck in micro, so I need units that resist until I see what´s happening in that map´s part (Yes, I´m new in M2TW, and I´m a better in economy than military [In Grand Campaign I´m good but at online battles literaly I SUCK! )

Thanks!

[Mik528]

Hardy as in good stamina? Well I think it goes to the Moors, Desert archer have very good stamina as do the Tuareg and Lamtuna, and Berbers get good and they are a basic unit. Christian Guard Dism, and Mounted as well. Camel Spearmens, and Gunners also. Yea, gotta give it to Moors, if stamina is what you mean as Hardy is the unit trait for stamina. If it's something else then my mistake

[goro]

i guess he means hard to fall.i would say denmark but im not an expert.just that their early infantry units are good.italian factions also have the italian spear militia which is better than the spear militia all other factions which give you a bonus in early turns.poland also has some great units like polish nobles which have very good missile and melee stats

[Mik528]

If he means armour wise then you can't really go wrong with most European nations. England, France, Denmark, HRE the Italians and Poland all have good armoured units. Egypt maybe, they do got the Saracen Militia but other than that you gotta wait a bit for the more stable units.

[John Haukewood]

Denmark has the best heavy infantry overall, but their spears are terrible, so they probably aren't what you're looking for. For armies that can take a pounding, go where there are good Spearmen, since they last a long time, are good versus cavalry, and have higher numbers of soldiers. For that, I'd recommend France, HRE, or Italian factions.

[Silverheart]

The Italian factions are very hardy, and great for beginners/amateurs to practice up their skills with.
They have some pretty nice Heavy Cavalry, and all their militia troops are way better than those of any other faction - even better than some professional soldiers. The Italian Spear Militia is a good unit that can hold it´s ground fairly well.

Your main problem seem to be that you don´t have time to check out every part of the battlefield fast enough...
Have you ever tried just pausing the battle? It´s right there, you just press "P" and it´s paused.

[KingofPoland]

I agree with silverheart that the Italian factions are good to practice your skills, as long as it isn't Milan; most of the time, Milan has five enemies by turn 30 so you would be facing a multiple front war. If you don't have the 1.3 patch, then Sicily is very easy If you can get Bologna and give it to the pope because in the earlier vanilla version, the AI don't use boats to invade so you can't get attacked unless a faction chooses that being excommunated is worth attacking your lands. Venice is very easy as you will be rich very quickly so you can quickly get the Venetian heavy infantry which are outclassed by only gunpowder troops and the varangian gaurd (spelling?)

[Leaf-Fan-Forever]

the Venetian heavy infantry which are outclassed by only gunpowder troops and the varangian gaurd (spelling?)

Venetian Heavies wreck Varangians.

Anyways, to me the hardy means surviving despite the odds, always getting back up. In my campaigns Venice or Spain always face adversity but manage to gain a sizeable empire in the end.

[empr guy]

i would also say denmark because most danish troops have axes and rip apart other starting infantry, i dont know how good their late infantry is but the beggining of the game should be easy.

[Silverheart]

Varangian Guard is correct spelling (in english at least )
All in all, I´d say the Venetian Heavy Infantry and Varangians are pretty evenly matched.
However, in regular Vanilla, two-handers are worthless - meaning that the VHI should logically be superior.

[KnightOfPortugal]

Venetian Heavies all the way! Support them with a Carriocco Standard (their only downside is their mediocre moral) and they become just unbeatable.

[Silverheart]

In reality, the Varangians would own them, though.
A viking Warrior vs. a banker? The result is obvious!

But in the game, the VHI are great warriors. And since they are unique for the Venetians, it´s fun to use them

[Blaze of Macedon]

Apart from what most ppl recommended would you consider a... different approach?

Why don't you try a horse archer (basically any "eastern") faction? HA are usually "very fast" so they don't require that much micro - they just stay out of trouble by running away. Concentrate on on one side on the battlefield with ~ 4 HA units, get them behind the enemy (easy to do) and let the rest just pepper the enemy line. When you're out of arrows, if the enemy is still standing isolate theire units and rout them one by one. You can win battles with very few casuakties with HA's.

Just my 2 cents...

[Border Patrol]

Yeah Byzantines, Hungary, Turks, and to a lesser extent Egypt and the Moors are all great for shooting and running

[KnightOfPortugal]

Hungary is a pretty nice crossover between Western heavy armoured armies and Eastern light horse archer armies.

[Silverheart]

Hungary is a pretty nice crossover between Western heavy armoured armies and Eastern light horse archer armies.

But it´s not for beginners or amateurs, though.
They have a bad starting position with little natural defences and plenty of competition, poor economy and poor quality troops in the beginning which forces them to rely on guerilla tactics and numbers.
IMO, they´re not a very hardy faction either. Fun to play, but not a steady, stand-fast faction.

[crzyrndm]

Hardy faction would have to go to the moors for thier great spearmen, heavy militia(spear militia can stop most things urbans own whatevers left), nice archers and cav and Camel gunners late game to shred any western army. And I'm pretty sure nost of thier units have very decent morale.

[-Myth-]

Play as England. Make Longbowmen, Armoured Swordsmen and Levy Spearmen, and whatever knightly order you get (I recommend Hospitaliers as they don't charge on their own). Sit back ,deploy stakes and when the enemy comes, charge with the armoured swords while protecting your flanks from enemy cavalry with the spears.

Do a hammer and anvil with your cav when you can, but there's no rush as Armoured Swords are very duarble and the enemy will be weakened by your Longbowmen.

[Turtle Hammer]

I'd say the Turks do, they have Naffatun which do plenty of damage by themselves, but also cause morale damage which makes your troops relatively hardier by dint of the enemy being more likely to rout. If positioned close behind your main battle line, you'll find bits of it can get by without intense micro.

Jannisary archers can plant stakes, and are one of the few troops that can do this, and this is very useful in field battles and defending a settlement, although in campaign it takes a while to get them. Saracen militia are very good value for money though, and fill the battle line nicely.

The various HAs Turkey have aren't particularly hardy, but someone once said "speed is armour", and they do tend to be quick, and because they can be set to skirmish, they weill automaticly avoid hand to hand without needing to be micro'd.

Lastly, the Turks have Qapukulu, like the Jannisary archers, these guys take ages to get in campaign, but I've used a stack of them to rout elite Mongol stacks before. They're lethal in the charge, but due to their strong defence and AP attack, they can slug it out in a prolonged melee too without too much supervision.

All in all, a well picked Turkish army'll be pretty forgiving.

Edit: I forgot Hashashim! Those guys will slaughter most other infantry, and they have very high morale.

[Blaze of Macedon]

I'd say the Turks do, they have Naffatun which do plenty of damage by themselves, but also cause morale damage which makes your troops relatively hardier by dint of the enemy being more likely to rout. If positioned close behind your main battle line, you'll find bits of it can get by without intense micro.

Jannisary archers can plant stakes, and are one of the few troops that can do this, and this is very useful in field battles and defending a settlement, although in campaign it takes a while to get them. Saracen militia are very good value for money though, and fill the battle line nicely.

The various HAs Turkey have aren't particularly hardy, but someone once said "speed is armour", and they do tend to be quick, and because they can be set to skirmish, they weill automaticly avoid hand to hand without needing to be micro'd.

Lastly, the Turks have Qapukulu, like the Jannisary archers, these guys take ages to get in campaign, but I've used a stack of them to rout elite Mongol stacks before. They're lethal in the charge, but due to their strong defence and AP attack, they can slug it out in a prolonged melee too without too much supervision.

All in all, a well picked Turkish army'll be pretty forgiving.

Edit: I forgot Hashashim! Those guys will slaughter most other infantry, and they have very high morale.

+ Ottoman Infantry. Great missles + very nice melee stats (better than Janissary Archers). I think they're morale is "normal" but other than that they're an excellent unit. Put 4 of them (with skirmish mode off since they can hold their ground) behind 4 Saracen Militias (or Dism Sipahis), Jan Archers with stakes on the wings and you're set to go.