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    Utah town says of Bush, 'What's not to like?'
    Support for president continues to be nearly unanimous in tiny Randolph
    By David Finkel

    Updated: 2:46 a.m. ET Jan. 31, 2006
    RANDOLPH, Utah - To get to the place where they like George W. Bush more than any other place in America, you fly west for a long time from Washington, then you drive north for a long time from Salt Lake City, and then you pull into Gator's Drive Inn, where the customer at the front of the line is ordering a patty melt.

    "Patty melts! No one makes patty melts anymore," she is saying to the counterman, Ryan Louderman, who knew she wasn't local as soon as he heard the sound of a car being locked. "Can I get it without onions?" she says. "And can I get mustard? On the side? Dijon mustard?"

    "I don't think we have Dijon mustard," says Louderman, who is 15 and would have voted for Bush if he could have. "I think we only have regular mustard." But he writes it down anyway and gives the order to Pat Orton, the owner and cook.

    "No onions? With mustard?" says Orton, who voted for Bush in 2004 and 2000 . "Oh, God, we get some weird ones" -- but she cooks it anyway, as requested, and passes the non-patty melt out to the woman, who takes a bite, declares it "fabulous" and wraps up the rest to go. She's on her way to a ski resort. She is going to be lifted by helicopter to the top of a mountain with untouched snow, and then she is going to ski down.

    "Clang" goes the cowbell on the door as she leaves.

    "Beep" goes the remote-controlled lock on her SUV.

    "Dijon mustard," Louderman says as the woman drives away. "I don't know what Dijon mustard is. Don't care to find out, either."

    ‘The mind-set of Utah’
    Tonight, when President Bush delivers his State of the Union speech, he'll be speaking to a nation that no longer approves of the job he is doing. According to recent polls, including a Washington Post-ABC News poll released over the weekend, Bush's overall approval rating -- once as high as 92 percent just after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001 -- is down to 42 percent, with the percentages even lower on specific issues, such as health care, the federal deficit and the war in Iraq.

    But within that 42 percent are places where approval of Bush remains high, such as Nebraska, where it's at 55 percent, according to a recent poll, and Idaho, where it's 58 percent. Highest of all, though, at 61 percent, is Utah, which also gave him 71.5 percent of the vote in 2004, the highest of any state.

    "The mind-set of Utah" is how Frank Guliuzza III, chairman of the political science department at Weber State University in Ogden, explains the percentages. Not only is Utah the nation's most Republican state, "there's a sense of loyalty and patriotism that kind of overcomes the tendency toward cynicism that is evident in the rest of the country right now," he says.

    In Randolph, though -- where Bush received 95.6 percent of the vote and support for him continues to be nearly unanimous -- the mind-set is even more specific to a place that seems less a part of the modern United States than insulated from it. It isn't just mustard, but everything.

    There have been no funerals here from Bush's war on terrorism. There are no unemployment lines, no homeless people sleeping in doorways, no sick people being turned away from a hospital because of a lack of insurance, no crime to speak of, no security fence needed around the reservoir, no metal detectors at the schools.

    Terrorist threats? That's anywhere but here. Iraq? That's somewhere over there. Hurricane Katrina? That was somewhere down there. Illegal immigrants? Not here, where everyone is fond of Ramon, who came long ago from Mexico and is married to the Catholic woman, who is the one non-Mormon everyone mentions when the conversation turns to religious diversity. As for racial diversity, everyone says there are three African Americans in the county, including the twins on the high school cheerleading squad, which also includes a Hispanic, according to the superintendent of schools, Dale Lamborn, which means "we've probably got the most diverse cheerleading squad in the state."

    One main road that is 1.3 miles long from the county building on the north end to the fence on the south end with the faded yellow ribbon on it in honor of the only child of Randolph so far to have gone to Iraq.

    One church, where everyone gathered to welcome the young man home from Iraq with ice cream.

    One post office, with one full-time employee, Postmaster Gage Slusser Jr., who, as everyone knows, was one of the 17 to vote for John Kerry in 2004. "The village pseudo-intellectual," Slusser calls himself. "Don't get me wrong," he adds. "These are good people."

    "Just good people," echoes Debra Ames, the county recorder, adding: " You try to feed your cows at 40 below zero." The courthouse where Ames works is near the one little market, which is near the one service station, the part-time hair cutter, and the one bank, where deposits are up and defaults are down and banker Adam Jensen says of Bush, "What's not to like about him?"

    And in the exact middle of this: Gator's Drive Inn, where Orton is explaining that her mother died of lung cancer on Sept. 6, 2001, and that the viewing was five days later, which is why she missed a lot of what happened on 9/11.

    "I'm the boss, applesauce," her mother used to say, and Orton can imagine Bush liking that sentence as much as she does.

    "Don't be wise, bubble eyes, or I'll knock you down to peanut size."

    That, too.

    Hive of activity
    Sooner or later, everyone stops by Gator's, which makes it the best place in Randolph to listen to people talk about their beloved president.

    In comes Debra McKinnon, 53, who says she nearly dropped dead nine months ago from heart failure and is working for one reason only: health insurance. She takes 12 pills a day, for which she pays several hundred dollars month, which, without insurance, would be four times that. Is that Bush's fault, though? "No," McKinnon says. "It's a problem from the drug companies to the lawyers to the doctors to Congress, and it's not because Bush isn't a caring man. I think he's a very caring man. I think he's a decent, God-fearing person, and I hope we are, too."

    In comes Blair Hurd, the high school shop teacher, who says: "This whole thing with domestic spying? I think there's a little bit of it that needs to go on. I do. And if he" -- meaning Bush -- "is listening to my calls? I'm not doing anything wrong. Why would I care? He'd be bored to death is what I think."

    In comes Charlene McLean, who runs a flower business out of her garage and says that the problems in America are due to a "gimme, gimme, gimme" attitude that is the fault of the Democrats and is turning the country cockeyed. "We can't do this because it offends the gays. We can't do that because it offends the atheists," she says. "Well what about the average American? What about the common person?"

    In comes Lois McLean, Charlene's mother-in-law, who is 77 and works at Gator's part time because Social Security isn't quite enough to finance her modest life. "I think he's doing a good job," she says, her voice hoarse from having a tube pushed down her throat. That happened when she went to the dentist to have a tooth pulled and she suddenly stopped breathing, and then passed out. She woke up in the hospital emergency room, where, once she was stable, the dentist finished yanking out the tooth.

    Adapt to your circumstances, she says. That's what the dentist did, that's what Bush has done, and that's what she tries to do, too. "I myself have to make my life better," she says.

    Bush's believers: One after another, in they come to say "It's not Bush's fault" and "He's trying to protect us," and on this goes until early evening, when what must be the entire population of Randolph gathers at the high school to cheer on the basketball teams.

    Pushing cows, chasing girls, shooting guns
    Gator's, never that busy anyway in the winter, is especially quiet now. Ryan Louderman remains by the counter, lost in thought, and Orton is listening to a Paul Anka CD when the clang of the cowbell catches them by surprise.

    "Hey, Aaron," Orton says, and in comes a young man who is 16, and who is considered one of Rich County's three African Americans even though he considers himself a mix of a white mother and black father.

    He spells his last name: "C-H-E-N-E-Y."

    "Yeah," he says. "Distant relatives." His grandmother did the genealogy and explained the connection. He has no idea if it's true, he says -- but even if it is, the reason he likes Bush has less to do with that than with his mother's decision to come to Randolph when he was 8 years old.

    "I enjoy pushing cows, chasing girls and shooting guns," he says of who he has become here.

    Also: "I'm a Republican."

    And one more thing: "I love it here. I love the people here. It's a small town. Everybody knows everybody. I wave at everybody; everybody waves back."

    Eight o'clock now, and out Cheney and Louderman go into what's left of a day in Randolph.

    "Bye, boys," Orton says.

    Mind's made up
    She turns off the "open" sign and starts adding up the day's receipts. It isn't much. She netted $10,000 last year, if that. She has no savings. She has no retirement plan. She works seven days a week, 12 hours a day. Her last vacation was a quick trip last Thanksgiving to see her in-laws in southern Utah, where "I cooked turkey, and they didn't like the turkey, and that's how that went," and the longest she ever remembers shutting down Gator's since opening day 18 years ago was when she helped a family member move to Oklahoma.

    In small-town quiet, she finishes her work. Somewhere out there are the sounds of chattering terrorists, and shivering homeless people, and helicopters ferrying soldiers, and a president rehearsing a vitally important speech. Here in 71.5 percent Utah, though, and 95.6 percent Randolph, and 100 percent Gator's, the only sound is of a believer explaining why, come Tuesday night, she doubts she will bother to listen.

    "I don't think there's anything he could say that would make me dislike him," she says.

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    A huge case where culture trumps true logic....the last line is scary
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    Sounds like a nice place to live.
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    Ain't America Great!!! Oh ya, Total Warrior I think u have a nack for writting.As for Randolph,political views aside,is full of good people.

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    Sounds like SCARY place to live. Such small extremely tightly knit communities tend to be also the most xenophobic and, to be honest, oppressive.


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    Sounds like a great place to live if you either a) want to live a life of blissfull ignorace or b) take advantage of blissfully ignorant people
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    Sounds like SCARY place to live. Such small extremely tightly knit communities tend to be also the most xenophobic and, to be honest, oppressive.
    Well I would like to remind you and others taking this at face value that Utah is unofficially known as "the state of the Mormons" here in the US. That's not to say they're bad people, it's just that they're religious background heavily influences some of the views they have.

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    Is Utah the state where they make all those bombs for the US airforce?

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    I think, speaking generally, that the more tight-knit a community is, the more xenophobic and ignorant it is. Not purposefully ignorant, which is the worst kind, but just plain ignorant of the things that happen outside of that community. Think about it, these people are entirely self-reliant and probably 20 miles from any other place of civilization. They have no need to leave, they are all white, they are all Mormon, with few exceptions. They would be eaten alive outside of their community, so they stay in it their entire lives because it is what protects them from the real world. The problem is, their's is a dying way of live. Whereas 60% of America lived in communities like that a century ago, places like Randolph probably encompass less than 2% of the American population. Plus just look at the mustard example of how xenophobic these communities can be.

    Sadly, this community reminds me of the kind of mindset Bush must have when he retreats to Crawford. I bet that ranch is frighteningly like this town: away from everything and everyone, and Bush can just ignore everything outside for as long as he wants, and he can actively select what he chooses to pay attention to, whereas in Washington all that stuff would demand his attention. Think Hurricane Katrina as an example, or the Cindy Sheehan protests.


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    Sounds like a great place to live. I miss living in a small community. They are always the best, everyone knows each other and will help if you ever need anything. No crime, no illegal immigrants, no school crime, no home-less people, no lack of insurance, what's wrong with living there ? The only reason Tiwaz, Guderian, and Legio XX are bashing the town is because their Bush supporters and Christians. I bet if they were die-hard liberals this thread wouldn't even exist. IF it did no one would even bash them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hub'ite
    Sounds like a great place to live. I miss living in a small community. They are always the best, everyone knows each other and will help if you ever need anything. No crime, no illegal immigrants, no school crime, no home-less people, no lack of insurance, what's wrong with living there ? The only reason Tiwaz, Guderian, and Legio XX are bashing the town is because their Bush supporters and Christians. I bet if they were die-hard liberals this thread wouldn't even exist. IF it did no one would even bash them.
    Thanks for putting words in my mouth. I'd like to know how you know me even better than myself, apparently, because I would reserve judgement on a town full of "die-hard liberals" until I read what their actual values were. If they exhibited the same ignorance and xenophobia as these people, they would bother me too. This town frightens me not because they are Bush supporters and Christian, but because they seem to have no desire to understand the world around them, but then again, they don't have to because their community is their world. I'll admit, the fact that they vote is what bothers me the most, because they clearly don't bother to understand the issues or the people involved, they just saw a man who looks like them, talks like them, and prays to the same God as them, so they voted for him. Ignorance is what bothers me, not the fact that they're Christian or Bush supporters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legio XX Valeria Victrix
    Thanks for putting words in my mouth. I'd like to know how you know me even better than myself, apparently, because I would reserve judgement on a town full of "die-hard liberals" until I read what their actual values were. If they exhibited the same ignorance and xenophobia as these people, they would bother me too. This town frightens me not because they are Bush supporters and Christian, but because they seem to have no desire to understand the world around them, but then again, they don't have to because their community is their world. I'll admit, the fact that they vote is what bothers me the most, because they clearly don't bother to understand the issues or the people involved, they just saw a man who looks like them, talks like them, and prays to the same God as them, so they voted for him. Ignorance is what bothers me, not the fact that they're Christian or Bush supporters.
    You would be right but often is the case when talking about small community, countries etc and their 'way' of doing things it falls under a respect for culture thing. So why is this town any different? They are a small town they arent not the center of world so you cant exactly expect big, huge ideas on world issues they are for the most part a dying breed in the US the small town where life isnt complicated. We (and I admit even me) cant phantom why people would want to live in such small, closed off communties but why should we fault them for it? They arent harming anyone they are simply living their lives the way they see fit.

    the line where the store owner says "never heard of dijion mustard, and I dont care to find out". That line scares me. not that she didnt know what dijion mustard is, but that kind of mentality. They dont want to go out and learn things for themselves. It seems that this mentality is growing too, scary stuff if you ask me
    So what? Really I dont see what the big deal is and no this type of mentality isnt growing its dying in the US as pointed out Small Town, USA use to make up a major part of the US population it doesnt anymore. There is nothing in the article to lead to believe they are racist, violent or anything else bad other then seemingly living their lives in a their own little town. I know the perception of places like this is they are all backward hicks and easy targets to mock or make fun of but I had the pleasure of seeing a place like this in Alabama and they were nothing but friendly, easy going people. Yes they seem to live in their own bubble but who are to judge how people live their lives/

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    Quote Originally Posted by danzig
    So what? Really I dont see what the big deal is and no this type of mentality isnt growing its dying in the US as pointed out Small Town, USA use to make up a major part of the US population it doesnt anymore. There is nothing in the article to lead to believe they are racist, violent or anything else bad other then seemingly living their lives in a their own little town. I know the perception of places like this is they are all backward hicks and easy targets to mock or make fun of but I had the pleasure of seeing a place like this in Alabama and they were nothing but friendly, easy going people. Yes they seem to live in their own bubble but who are to judge how people live their lives/
    It just seems to me that people should want to expand their knowledge, to know more information. But thats just my opinion
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    it sounds okay (everyone knows each other, no crime, everyone is friendly) except that they dont seem to think for themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Last Roman
    it sounds okay (everyone knows each other, no crime, everyone is friendly) except that they dont seem to think for themselves.
    Why do people assume that maybe they just disagree with you Mind you Id never live in a town like that, I couldnt handle it being all er...nice Im a new yorker I need noise and rude people etc but I dont think there is anything necessarily wrong with this town. They are just a small place, close knit get along with everyone in town, know each other etc...what exactly is wrong with that? Sure their political views you might disagree with and they might not be the sharpest minds in the world but so what. Btw Erik in the Denmark thread you posted how you live in a neighborhood with muslims, everyone is nice to each other, people open doors for your mom and are friendly and everyone gets along with everyone and you wouldnt want anyone to to disrupt that or harm it...Im curious political views aside what exactly is different from this town? The fact they are mostly white is irrelevent (last time I checked a white community isnt inherently bad or racist) since for whatever reason Utah is mostly white anyway much like how alot of Florida is hispanic or jewish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danzig
    Why do people assume that maybe they just disagree with you
    the line where the store owner says "never heard of dijion mustard, and I dont care to find out". That line scares me. not that she didnt know what dijion mustard is, but that kind of mentality. They dont want to go out and learn things for themselves. It seems that this mentality is growing too, scary stuff if you ask me
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    Quote Originally Posted by Last Roman
    it sounds okay (everyone knows each other, no crime, everyone is friendly) except that they dont seem to think for themselves.
    Reminds me of the town where Resident Evil 4 is set...well except they don't appear to eat the local police in good ol' Randolph USA, that is possibly a point of difference...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Total Warrior X
    "I don't think there's anything he could say that would make me dislike him," she says.
    Sounds like a horrible place to live. I really hate SOME small comunities like that. I have got the impression that they are all ignorant,Christian people who cant accept change and still want to live in the past.
    that last line really scares me! She sounds like a total moron.
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    I don't think they're harming anyone either. Like I said, they're a dying breed, and there's so few of them they don't really make any difference. But, on a personal level, I can't understand how they live the way they live. I enjoy learning about new things, and meeting new people, whereas this community seems to fear both of those things. I'm not suggesting I'm better than them, but I am saying that I would find them frightening and their way of life horrifyingly bland. And ignorance pisses me off, but that's just me.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Legio XX Valeria Victrix
    I don't think they're harming anyone either. Like I said, they're a dying breed, and there's so few of them they don't really make any difference. But, on a personal level, I can't understand how they live the way they live. I enjoy learning about new things, and meeting new people, whereas this community seems to fear both of those things. I'm not suggesting I'm better than them, but I am saying that I would find them frightening and their way of life horrifyingly bland. And ignorance pisses me off, but that's just me.
    No I agree with you I couldnt imagine living there either and not being exposed to new things all the time but to each his own and just think its a bit unfair attacking them or making fun of them (not you specifically). Personally Id die of boredom there but for some people it obviously works.

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    Everyone in that town, and every other "red" area in the union, should be rounded up and shipped off to the remotest place in the world, nex to to Utah. What like...antartica maybe? The South Pole? That would put a smile on my face....all the hot dog eating, football watching, slow drawling, christian conservative, almost-a-redneck-but-not-quite people need to be cleansed. I call it the Final Solution, I heard that name somewhere but I dont remember where, I thought it sounded good.


    btw-Nobody likes Utah, its a fact.

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