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    I will post some screens of the New-France colonial units during the seven years war (Compagnie Franche de la Marine (Colonial), Régiment de la Marine (Colonial), Infanterie de Marine (Troupes Débarquées), Canonniers-Bombardiers de l'Infanterie de Marine (Artillerie de Marine), Miliciens (Coloniaux Auxiliaires), Wendat (Autochtones Auxiliaires), Corps de Cavalerie (Colonial)...)

    If you are interested, I'm working on an accurate French flag since ETW mods French flags are wrong (both royal and republic one)

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    I agree, the actual ingame campaign map monarchy flag isn't very accurate

    I was planning this one as national flag (not battle flag) :
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    But yours look very good.

    I don't think that ingame campaign map Republic flag (national flag) is really wrong.
    The 1st republic adopted the naval flag (bleu, white and red).
    What national flag will you propose instead ?
    Last edited by wangrin; March 31, 2011 at 10:33 AM.


    « Le courage, c’est de ne pas subir la loi du mensonge triomphant qui passe, et de ne pas faire écho de notre âme, de notre bouche et de nos mains aux applaudissements imbéciles et aux huées fanatiques.. » Jean JAURES

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    Thank you. I've been working on a way to improve the Vanilla French flags and the mods French flags (mostly the land and state flags):
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=429210

    I tried to be as much accurate as possible for the Royal national flag. The one on wikipedia is wrong (using the blue color for the crown, putting angels on both sides, using a shield for the coat of arms, etc...) In fact, I believe the flag should be "Fleur de Lys"less since.
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    The Republic national flag ingame is correct (except the colors were slightly different). But the land flag in the mods is completly wrong, using a blue-white-red flag (National Guard/Napoleon/XIXth c.) with bees (Napoleon I & III) and with the modern days Republic coat of arms (1953-present days). The first Republic regimental flag was like this (I think I saw a mod here using this flag?):
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    Also, I don't know if in ETW we can have different flags for the constitutional monarchy? If it's possible, then the flags were different as well (for exemple the national flag was red-white-blue).

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    First, you can have a different flag for constitutional monarchy.
    If you have a look into the ui pack, flags files, you will find france and france_republic, so I suppose it is possible to create a france_constitutional.
    In factions tables you will find 3 columns named flag1, flag2 and flag3 where you have to write the flag file path.

    The monarchy flag should be only white... so, we have to find another solution

    This flag is the republic battleflag from TROM :
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    EDIT 2011-04-01 : WIP

    GERONIMO2006
    • Cannoniers-Bombardiers (colonial artillery - Canada) :
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    • Clare regiment (Irish infantry) :
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    • Dillon regiment (Irish infantry) :
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    • Ardennes regiment (walloon / belgian ? infantry) :
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    Some new icons :
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    Last edited by wangrin; April 01, 2011 at 11:53 AM.


    « Le courage, c’est de ne pas subir la loi du mensonge triomphant qui passe, et de ne pas faire écho de notre âme, de notre bouche et de nos mains aux applaudissements imbéciles et aux huées fanatiques.. » Jean JAURES

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    Well, the monarchy flag can be white, but since there wasn't any official flag, it can have the fleur-de-lys as well. I think people like it when there are the flowers.

    Here some informations regarding the French colonial infantry in New-France (Canada (Canada - Upper Lands - Acadia - Île Royale) and Louisiana (Upper Louisiana or Illinois - Louisiana).

    Colonial Artillery.
    Compagnie de Canonniers-Bombardiers du Canada/du Québec, 1750.
    Compagnie de Canonniers-Bombardiers de l'île Royale/de Louisbourg, 1758.
    Compagnie de Canonniers-Bombardiers de Louisiane/de Mobile, 1759.
    It was an elite unit, men were recruited amongst the best soldiers of the "Compagnie franches".
    Size: 4 officers for 50 gunners
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    Colonial Infantry.
    Compagnie franche de la Marine.
    By 1750, 30 companies (officialy 1500 men, in reality around 1000). They are not Marines, their name is coming from the fact they depend of the Navy MoD.
    Size: 4 officers for 50 infantrymen.
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    Navy Marines.
    Compagnie Franche de Marine (served on warships and used as Marines)
    By 1760, several hundreds of Marines in New France.
    Size: unknown, a hundred by 1690
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    See he is using a navy rifle. Same unit as the colonial Compagnies Franches, these ones were used on ships.

    Navy Artillery.
    Compagnie de Bombardiers de la Marine.
    By 1760, more than a thousand of gunners in Quebec.
    Size: unknown officers, 50 gunners.
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    Uniform unknown as of 1750-1760. In 1740, the uniform was a red and under blue

    But in 1770, the uniform was blue and under red....

    We must believe that like all the other artillery unit in the 1750s, they were wearing blue with red under. Like the "artillerie royale" or the "canonniers-bombardiers coloniaux". But it seems they were wearing a "mitre" or something like that hat... It was of course an elite unit.


    Milice Infantry.

    Milice de district de Québec: 5640
    Milice du district de Trois-Rivières: 1300
    Milice du district de Montréal "les Loups": 5455 (best known milice, called the wolves, kinda elite milice)
    Milice du district de Nouvelle-Orléans: unknown
    Milice ville de Québec: few hundreds
    Size: 1 officer, 50 to 80 men.
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    Acadia

    Quebec and Montreal


    Milice Cavalry.
    Corps de cavalerie
    By 1760, two companies. It was the only cavalry unit of New-France and the first one to be rose.
    Size: 2 officers, 100 cavalrymen.
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    Amerindians.
    Troupes auxiliaires amérindiennes.
    By 1759, around Québec city, about 1800 Amerindians.
    Size: unknown. It depends of the tribes.
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    Guards.
    Gardes du Corps du Gouverneur Général.
    The uniform is a "tabards" with the coat of arms of the governor. The governor was the general of the armies in New-France. So this unit is like the general's guards of ETW.
    Size: around 20 guards.
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    Last edited by 079rtfgkljt90rgio; April 01, 2011 at 08:44 PM.

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    Colonial infantry (Compagnies Franches de la Marine) and Navy marines were in fact the same units : Compagnies Franches de la Marine.
    Bombardiers de la Marine were a specialized mortar artillery unit. 1755 and 1760 uniforms are known and I have some pictures. Geronimo2006 create a great texture for this unit.
    Guards : the governor guard didn't exist anymore during SYW.

    I have planed to create "Corps de Cavalerie" as a provincial cavalry or a colonial dragoon unit.

    I have to create a 3Dmodel for canadian militia and native auxilaries.
    The third militiman picture is very interesting.
    I've read somewhere that red cap were ordered to "equip" canadian militiamen.

    The militiaman model will be probably the most "difficult" to do, because I will have to represent the clothes diversity (it was not really an "uniform").

    Thanks for yours documents


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    You are welcome!

    No, the Colonial Infantry and the Navy Marines weren't the same units. They had the same name at first (Compagnie Franche de la Marine) but the first one was risen in colonies with the mission to defend the French colonies as the second one, risen in France, was supposed to defend the harbors and warships. They were later used as "Marines" even if they weren't enough by themselves to defend a colony. These "Marines" were also the first unit to have an anchor on its flag.

    But well, in the end, both units were doing the same job and I don't really see what the French Marines could bring as different gameplay ingame than the Colonial Infantry. Also, I don't know if it's possible, but what could be very interesting is, when you make a big warship or when you construct a warship harbor, you can have a Marines units to defend said harbor or to be put directly into the ship? That would be awesome and realistic!

    Here the two different flags of both units in New-France. (left colonial unit, right St Malot Marines from the warships in Quebec)



    Yes, there was still guards during the seven years war. They were still wearing the "mousquetaire" uniform, but with the colors and coat of arms of the governor. Ex:
    La nomination de Louis de Buade, comte de Frontenac, en 1672, correspondit à l'établissement permanent de gardes affectés à la personne du gouverneur général. [...] De 1672 jusqu'à la fin du Régime français, la garde fut officiellement « une compagnie de 20 hommes de guerre à cheval dits carabins », comprenant un capitaine, un lieutenant et une cornette. Dans la réalité, il en alla souvent autrement. [...] Pour leur part, les gardes du marquis de La Jonquière, à leur arrivée à Québec, en 1749, se montrèrent « en habits verts, le fusil sur l'épaule ». etc
    Sources: http://www.cmhg.gc.ca/cmh/page-144-fra.asp
    Can't wait to see your next skins and models! Good luck with the "milice". Cheers!
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    "Compagnies Franches de la Marine" were used :
    - as marine infantry ;
    - as naval garrison on board of ships ;
    - as colonial infantry because colonies defense depended from the Department of the Navy ("Ministère de la Marine").
    So, colonial infantry and marine infantry were the same.
    Companies Franches de la Marine were disbanded in 1759.
    Line infantry detachment replace them as naval garrison onboard of ships between 1761 and 1769.
    Dedicated colonial infantry regiment were raised to defend colonies.

    As this solution wasn't succesfull, a specialised naval infantry corps was raised in 1772 : the "Corps Royal de la Marine".
    The second flag was the one from St Malo regiment.
    But this corps was create after the SYW.


    « Le courage, c’est de ne pas subir la loi du mensonge triomphant qui passe, et de ne pas faire écho de notre âme, de notre bouche et de nos mains aux applaudissements imbéciles et aux huées fanatiques.. » Jean JAURES

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    Yeah, sorry for the misunderstood. Didn't mean to say they are not the same unit as type of unit and didn't mean "Marines" as the modern name. They are both Compagnies Franches de la Marine. But I meant they were used differently and because of that they were almost like different units in their tasks: one the marine infantry beeing in charge of the warships and harbors (and fortifications in New-France) and the second the colonial infantry used for the defense of the colonies. You are saying it yourself ;-)
    Les Compagnies franches de la Marine were originally formed in 1622 by Cardinal Richelieu, King Louis XIII's Minister of the Marine. Marines guarded the ports of France, served on its warships, and were later sent as garrison troops in North America and the Caribbean. [...] An establishment of colonial troops, distinct from the marines serving on ships and in sea ports, was created. These were organized as independent companies (Compagnies franches) and were under the Ministry of the Marine. The first of these companies were sent to the West Indies in 1674.
    Yeah, the flag is the one from St Malo regiment. But this flag was used before 1772 for the Compagnies Franches de la Marine based in France (and for exemple here, who served in New-France). Bellow reenactments in Canada


    Cheers ;-)

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    here u go wangrin, somethin fer the french scots
    french royal ecossais



    french royal escossais colonial

    Last edited by madrush; April 03, 2011 at 12:18 PM.

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    The unit is already planed.


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    oh....nice

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    The white flag was the colonel flag and the blue one, the ordonnace flag, nothing to do with "colonial".
    The second picture (grenadier, fusilier and piper) show the 1745 uniform.
    I'm unsure about the mitre, I never see French units picture wearing it.


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    well after the pacification in the highlands in 46', alot of exiled scots went to canada and sided with the french in the french and indian war

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    Two more textures:

    Compagnie franche marine:

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    Infanterie Provinciale:

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    Nice work Flikitos.
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    Great work Flikitos.
    I will update this post later to add Geronimo2006 units picture.

    I've rework FR_IND_VOL model, I hope it will correct some problem with "invisible body".

    Excellent work Flikitos
    Compagnie Franche de la Marine are like on picture
    And I particularly like the Grenadier Royaux cartridge pouch.

    EDIT : Work In Progress

    Geronimo2006 :
    • Kerjean's Volunteers - Bussy's Army, India
    • Ardennes regiment (also known as Bouillon) - German infantry
    • Clare regiment - Irish Infantry
    • La Marck regiment - German regiment

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    ACMilan88 :
    • Bourbonnais regiment (Petit Vieux Corps)

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    Really great work !
    Thanks to all of you
    Last edited by wangrin; April 07, 2011 at 01:44 PM.


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    Very nic work! Love it!!!

    For the "compagnie franche de la marine", since both French and colonial units are similar in uniforms, there is no need to have two different types of units ingame.

    Also, you are using flags to represent each different units icons and here it's the one of the colonial "compagnie franche de la marine" (Canada). (It is unknown how the other colonial flags were looking like (Acadia, Louisiana, ...))

    So except if you make this unit only recruitable in New-France, this flag can't be use for units recruited in France or other colonies (Caribbean islands, etc.)? See what I mean?

    What could be interesting is to have the two units ingame:
    -you can recruit (unlimited) the colonial "compagnie franche de la marine" in New France with the actual flag icon;
    -and you can recruit (limited to the number of harbors in France) the "compagnie franche de la marine" in France with the anchors' flag icon (similar to the 1772 Marines flags).

    Anyway, I just have that in my mind for a while now. Can stop talking about this "compagnie franche de la marine" hahaha.

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    Some new documents about light troops :

    Chasseurs de Fisher :
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    Fusiliers de Montagne
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    Last edited by wangrin; April 09, 2011 at 02:54 PM.


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    How about the Regiment de Grassins light infantry?

    Though they were a War of Austrian Succession unit rather than SYW, but they did have awesome uniforms.

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